
Not everyone thinks the raid on a Texas polygamist sect's compound last month was good for the hundreds of children taken by state authorities.
Is the press misreporting the Texas polygamy case?
The disturbing polygamy and alleged child abuse case unfolding in Texas raises difficult questions about two ideals Americans hold dear: Religious freedom and child safety. But the case should also raise questions about how the media is reporting the story, and whether state officials did the right thing by raiding the compound.
Ever since the children were removed from the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints compound, the state of Texas has maintained that it had no choice but to act and remove more than 450 children from the compound. The worst charges involve the abuse and rape of underage girls. And authorities reported last week that at least 41 children have had broken bones in the past.
But kids with broken bones is not necessarily an indicator of abuse. And on Saturday, Texas officials dropped an arrest warrant for another member of the compound. Clearly, the sensational aspect of the raid has proven to be just that. Did the press overreact to the story? Did government officials overreact by raiding the compound and removing the children from their home? Or is polygamy by definition child abuse, regardless of the circumstances?















Thoughts
What damage?
Submitted on June 21st, 2008 by snkslyerwhat property damage was done to the ranch? As far as I can recall, there was none. Further more, these jerks have no right to sue, one of their followers was the one that tipped off the police to what was going on, and if the abuse wasn't true then she should definitely be in jail for such fabrications. I'm all for family values, but not when there are 10 mothers living with one man. Polygamy is completely unnatural and it's just as big of a detriment to family values as gay marriage.
Texas CPS over stepted it's bounds.
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by AnonymousI do not believe that polyamy is approperate at this time because it is against he law. All children should be counted for an live in a safe home. I am sure everyone with any sense know that. The way exas went about destroying property and scaring the children was completely wrong. They should have talked to these people with compassion. I am sure they would have talked to them without a fight. I know these people are not a fighting bunch and they have proved that. They are family oriented people that can teach the crazy,immodest people showing the three B.....Why don't they raid the gays and drug users etc. Polyamy might be able to teach a few good principles to these people. I hope they sue Texas and make them repair the damage tat was done to their property. The children are the losers that can never be repaired from the abuse they recieved from CPS.
they found 400 children
Submitted on May 25th, 2008 by AnonymousCPS never has found 400 children and such
uncooperative adults.
The behaviors like reassigning women and reassigning children do not show the
predictable care I assume is not traumatic to a child/children.
Were hundreds of children at an address in your county and the authorities are investigating a summons I imagine most
adults would cooperate with concern!
The crazy making behavior of the adults
is the complexity. The entire polygamy
culture is grabbing for media attention
for "rights"...every kid there deserves their identity and it is appropriate that proper custody be
in place before releasing any child.
If I found an inquest at my door I would not hesitate to help. And I do not fear CPS..they are good caring people who spend their careers for
abused children.
The segregationist white thing is tired and stale. Most adults have no
limit to ways of interacting without getting into private matters like their religion. If 400 children are secretly living in the care of followers of a convicted sex offender by golly proceed with due care for the children.
Do not protect child abusers
Submitted on May 5th, 2008 by Bull MooseChild abuse is rampant in religious cults. David Koresh,Jim Jones,etc. Many Priest and so called Pastors have preyed on children under the guise of religion for centuries
There was a big political stink in Ireland over child abuse in the late 90's that cost a lot of people their careers. The same thing happened in the British Guerney Isles.
But of course the religious right defends these abusers like they did the Branch Davidians. If not for the modern mass media, these offenses would stay in the shadows, but the fine Christians will deny and fight the abuse charges you can be sure.
Googling the Texas CPS gives
Submitted on May 4th, 2008 by wishnevskyGoogling the Texas CPS gives this;
The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services (DFPS) was created with the passage of House Bill 2292 by 78th Texas Legislature, Regular Session. Previously called the Texas Department of Protective and Regulatory Services, DFPS is charged with protecting children, adults who are elderly or have disabilities living at home or in state facilities, and licensing group day-care homes, day-care centers, and registered family homes.
The agency is also charged with managing community-based programs that prevent delinquency, abuse, neglect and exploitation of Texas children, elderly and disabled adults. The agency's services are provided through its Adult Protective Services, Child Protective Services, Child Care Licensing, and Prevention and Early Intervention divisions. Every day, almost 6,800 DFPS employees in more than 249 offices across the state protect the physical safety and emotional well-being of the most vulnerable citizens of Texas.
So that gives an average of under 30 employees per office. And i don't suppose the El Dorado office is one of the largest.
And as scary as raiding the nearest ghetto might be, logistics say it will never happen. Perhaps a shame, but so is the rest of reality.
Maybe?
Submitted on May 4th, 2008 by AnonymousI'm not the best-informed person on this issue, mainly because the press really doesn't know a whole lot of what's going on and even less of that filters down. But I can't help but feel sketchy about the legality, constitutionality, and morality of raiding an entire compound and removing the vast majority of its children based on the information from one tip. And I don't like how the case is being handled in Texas' courts, as one mass trial. By no means am I defending abusive cults, but I have to say that there's a wrong way and a right way to do something. And I think this could have been handled better.
Imagine, if you will, if police decided to go into your local slum or ghetto and remove all of the children in one foul swoop because they got a tip drugs are causing parents to be abusive. There'd be a lot more protests than there are about this FLDS situation. Is there anything wrong with removing children from abuse? Absolutely not. But the state shouldn't be able remove hundreds of them based on one case.
Now that it is done ...
Submitted on May 4th, 2008 by John 2000let's see where it leads in the course of the specifics and closely watch where the leading indicators may point in the future.
I am pretty much aligned with wishnevsky's observations on this, though I did miss the gun show.
If those were the kids of
Submitted on May 4th, 2008 by wishnevskyIf those were the kids of dopers or illegal immigrants, they would have been taken and nobody would have said a word. But white religico's in the West?
I do not, myself love Texas, they have a vigorous application of "Justice" that sometimes runs against my grain, but in this case, it seems they may be in the right.
It is noticeable that the Feds were not involved, they don't want to touch this with the proverbial pole.
I went to a gun show right after the Waco fiasco, and was amazed at the bumper stickers "Your Church Is Next" "David Koresh Died for You" and so on.
I'm just glad that Texas conducted the raid with no shootout. That was a blessing.
Does anybody remember MOVE in Philadelphia? Eleven dead in 1985.
Child abuse
Submitted on May 4th, 2008 by freddymWhat is the definition? Who gets to decide what child abuse is?
Cults (as the media has defined this group, maybe rightfully) are and have been in existance for ever. This cult came to be through superb leadership skills. Like brain washing skills. Jim Jones and red cool-aid.
I am no expert in 'Child protective Services' of any state, but as I understand California law, once a complaint-notification has taken place, state authorities are requrie to take action. No six month investigations before "a child is protected".
This Texas quagmire (like Waco in 93?) is the New Orleans hurricane. A disaster waiting to happen.