Drill, drill on the range?
Is it time to start oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge?
It's a never-ending debate. Republicans say Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge should be opened for oil drilling to help America achieve energy self-sufficiency. Democrats and environmentalists say there's not enough oil in ANWR to achieve that goal -- and certainly not enough to make it worth the environmental damage.
But with the price of gasoline shooting up, President Bush made another pitch for ANWR drilling this week.
The Energy Department, Bush said, estimates the wildlife preserve could yield a million barrels of oil a day — enough to make 27 million gallons of gasoline and diesel fuel. "That would be about a 20 percent increase of ... crude oil production over U.S. levels, and it would likely mean lower gas prices," Bush said. "And yet such efforts to explore in ANWR have been consistently blocked."
Should drilling begin in ANWR?















Thoughts
Not rape but responsibility
Submitted on May 4th, 2008 by PabloTake a postage stamp and put it in the middle of your living room.
This is basically the amount of area that we are fighting over in Alaska in general.
If you allow for max drilling. Take a six 3x5 post cards and put them on the floor of your living room that is at least 15x 15. That is the amount of space by percentage we are talking about.
So its not rape nor is it irresponsible. We are talking about a small percentage of the land. So small in fact that most people like you have absolutely no clue to the realities of how Big Alaska is or the area of the North slope ANWR is roughly the same size as California. The whole North slope is about 3/4 the size of Texas.
Yet Alaska is little more than 2.5 times the size of Texas. The The north slope along with parts of ANWR which goes beyond parts of the North Slope is roughly 30% of Overall Alaska land mass.
We are talking about a huge huge area with just a few miles of area that can be opened up for drilling.
To put it mildly. In one 10 mile by 10 mile county in Texas, it produces 6% of over all state oil. The area that they want to drill is considered equvelent to this county called Gains. They have asked for a drill area that of this size. They have asked for a 120 mile by 120 mile roughly exporation area. Where they will then actually drill in the 10 by 10. As I stated before I am more than ok allowing a 20 by 20 twice that amount because in the overall picture its a drop in the bucket.
Think of it this way. 10 mile by 10 mile area set aside for drilling within the whole state of California.
When you really look at the realities and look at the real numbers then tell me why we should not allow drilling in an area that already has drilling within 70 miles of the proposed new area?
Just does not make sense.
But drilling in ANWR solves nothing as far as price of oil in the big picture. No matter how much drilling is done and no matter how much oil makes it out, Price of oil will continue to climb. The oil from ANWR will slow this progression and we will see for a short time a drop in price somewhere down the road.
But unless America goes ahead and just bites the bullet and makes the effort to real clean forms of fuel like Hydrogen, certain types of coal then its just going to get worse.
But If America does move to hydrogen in conjunction with drilling in ANWR then America can see independence from Foriegn oil.
Honestly, I do not think America needs another ticking time bomb of Nuclear power. Yea its generally safe and it provides generally clean power. But accidents happen and then you have to deal with the disposal of the nuclear waste. We are currently having a major problem in dealing with the waste we have much less add to that problem.
So lets go Hydrogen, FHI Solar power which is 10k times better than the current solar pannels designs out there and in use, Wind power and allow for other forms of alternative fuels to remove domestic demand on petroleum.
Its just a matter of leadership and in as little as 3 to 5 years, America could be free of the problems we face with petroleum and high cost of energy.
Oh, go ahead and rape the
Submitted on May 3rd, 2008 by wishnevskyOh, go ahead and rape the damn thing, and once that's done and gone, then even the most oilocentric right wingers will have to admit that there is no other strategy except alt/fuels and conservation.
Two more thoughts to wrangle over; The US produces about one third of its own oil. If it was assumed that the military, especially the Air Force uses about that much, and if we assume we could conserve another third if we had to, then it might be possible to run the civilian economy on what we produce ourselves.
As that production inevitably diminished, we might be able to ease into alt/fuels over time.
Second. I hear that Mexico's oil fields are rapidly diminishing, and that there is a big fight in their congress whether to allow foreign (US) companies in to extract the last dregs as fast as possible. This would require changing the Mexican Constitution. Big fun.
Will drilling for oil in ANWR change price
Submitted on May 2nd, 2008 by PabloFrom a Geologist that works in Alaska every few years, I can answer that.
The truth is yes it will reduce price. But it will take time for the effect of that price reduction.
Will it change what you are paying at the pump today? Nope not one bit.
If America does not start drilling and investing in infastructure and start biting the bullet to convert to better forms of fuel like Hydrogen which is a reality today, then expect $4.00 a gallon by December and expect $7.00 to $10.00 a gallon by December 2010.
But Oil flowing from ANWR will reduce price. But that reduction will not be effectual nor will it meet demand.
Simply put, the pipe line can not send the amount of oil that is available from the north slope. Thus a new pipe line will have to be built.
Even if that was done, It still would not meet the full demand of the US. It will reduce price. How much of an effect of the reduction? Depends on several factors.
How much of the North Slope oil goes to Japan and Korea verse to the plants here in America? How much infastructure is built to handle the newer compacity. There really is not that much on the west coast.
But there I expect only a drop in price once the oil flows to be 70 cents a gallon. Yet I expect the price of oil to increase by that time some $4 a gallon. The end net is still higher prices. So the difference is paying $3.30 a gallon more or $4 a gallon more.
So in the end, does it help the average person? You be the judge.
I still think that if America bit the bullet and made the leap to Hydrogen, America will be on the road to independence and would boost domestic car sales through the roof like never seen before if Hydrogen engines hit the market.
I would by the Honda FX tomorrow if it was made available here in Texas and not just be a lease vehicle like it is done in California.
I do not lease vehicles. Leasing a car is nothing more than added debt worse then the current Home problem. But I would shell out the $32,000 sticker price that Honda gives for their all Hydrogen FX model that leased in California some 12,000 models.
I would buy one in a heart beat. I would by A GM version or a Ford version in a heart beat. After all, the cost of fueling a hydrogen car is $20 a month for unlimited miles.
So lets go for it now and let the growing pains happen over the next 3 years to make the conversion from Petroleum to Hydrogen.
drill for oil????? HUH NOOOOOOOOO
Submitted on May 2nd, 2008 by AnonymousLook do all the studies you want, will drilling change the price??????? If you say yes, well frankly my dear you are dumber than the oil. Just a thought, Thank you.
Oil empires
Submitted on May 2nd, 2008 by freddymI hear the outcry of 'evil mideast oil'. And several statistical numbers show that Canada is the largest outside source to U.S.A.'s oil consumption addiction. Mexico and others above the mideast crude.
Oil or Not to Oil
Submitted on May 2nd, 2008 by freddym"Subsidies for ethanol made from corn have increased food prices and used scarce water, with few benefits."
The classic image of professional politicians smartness. The corn connection was all back room whispers.
Politicians as a species prey on emotion. If the big D and R were removed from public view, the landscape of our nation might then appear as common sense.
Ah the oil debate
Submitted on May 2nd, 2008 by PabloGenerally, those who speak on this topic have little clue as to what is out there.
My Educational background is Geology and Physics with minors in Geophysics and Business.
I currently work in Alaska about once every two years. The problem as I see it is that there has not been a modern study in ANWR since 1979. And that study was not really comprehensive.
Generally will ANWR solve the dependence on Foreign oil? NO not by a long shot.
What will ANWR do? Give approx 1 million barrels of oil into the American west. Mainly California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada and Arizona. Will it effect the price of oil to the consumer? In the short haul yes. In the long haul no.
How long from Drilling to production? Depends on approval and resources being applied. The earliest could see the oil flow from ANWR if approval happen say June 1 would be January to May of 2009. Weather is the delay factor along with installation of infastructure needed to ship the oil down the pipe line.
The problem as I see it is that oil will not flow from ANWR until 2011. British Petroleum has not been doing the proper repairs on the Pipe line to the point that the pipe line is in trouble. BP has been pocketing profits while watching the pipe line fall apart.
Which is a major problem. One of the reasons that a foreign company should not control something as important to national security as a major oil pipeline. Because in reality the worst that can happen to BP is lose the right to control the pipeline. There is no way to seize any money because the money of BP is not held in American banks. But in Scotish and UK banks. They transfer money just enough to pay bills and payroll. Thus preventing seizure of assets should another Exxon ValDez happen.
It will take roughly 18 months to repair the pipeline to where the oil can flow at full capacity. Right now it is flowing at 60%.
But the reality is that ANWR would change the price of oil per barrel by about $10 to $15 dollars.
This would equate in the short haul of a break of about 80 to 95 cents per gallon. Or that the price of gas would drop from $3.70 to $2.90 today. But realistically, by the time the oil comes online in the market, the price of oil will be somewhere around $4.90 a gallon. So there is no real relief as people understand it other than it will drop the price at the pump more so in the west and have no effect in the east. California has always had a 60 cent add in the price of oil and gas because it gets it oil from Texas and Louisiana. But it will see a dramatic decrease once 1 million barrels of oil is put into the Californian refinery system.
Another good way to effect current price of oil is not have any of the Alaskan oil be shipped to Japan and Korea. Currently about 40% of the oil coming out of Valdez goes to Japan and Korea.
What is the best solution?
Have America bite the bullet and just go hydrogen. It is a 2 to 4 year pain but in the end, America could by say 2012 if we did it by June 1, could be independent from Foreign oil and the price of oil would drop to somewhere around $35 a barrel if America made the effort to make all new cars sold have to be either battery, or Hydrogen or even some other alternative fuel that is not petroleum based.
Americans would save nearly 2 trillion dollars by doing this. The cost to the average person would be $15 to $20 a month for fuel.
In time, this would expand to heating the home and generating electricity in the home to the point that most homes would use very little off the electric grid. Businesses and the dense urban metros would still have to get power from the power companies.
The truth is that if America went Hydrogen today, By 2012 fuel and some home owners would only have a cost of $20 a month to fuel their car, heat and power their homes.
That is a savings of $600 a month on average for most people.
The future is now. We just need our Leaders to do what is right and cut the purse strings to big oil, and Big Energy who want these high prices because it brings in more money than gold.
Drilling in ANWR is a good idea. A better idea is drilling in the National Petroleum Reserve which is also part of the ANWR issue. There is millions of barrels of oil that can be produced. More so than can be shipped by the pipe line.
Which is the draw back of Drilling the North Slope. Most Oil companies realize that the pipe line has limits as to how much it can send to Valdez. Thus a new piple line will have to be built if we really try to go after the max production amounts possible. Which is roughly 1 billion barrels. This is still not enough but would reduce foregn dependence from near 70% to 40%
But it will effect price! Its just a matter of how much. Roughly 10 dollars of the cost of oil right now is based on speculation. If we demanded oil from ANWR, speculators would get out of oil because they know the price will fall dramtically by as much as $20 a barrel.
So We the People should demand better government. Personally, I do not see anything that either party can give me or the people of America. If the democrats take the white house and retain the congress, then its higher taxes, Crippling oil prices, Give Terrorist the will power and the boost in recruiting to Attack us here in America on Main street USA and watch more jobs go bye bye because NAFTA was and still is a Democratic Idea and proposal with people like Bill Clinton who lobbies for more expansion of NAFTA and has earned money from Columbia to push their interest in NAFTA trade, Obama who met with Canadian lobbist and having his chief of staff then later meet with the Canadian Prime Minister on NAFTA to see how NAFTA could be expanded for the good of Canada.
Then you have McCain. Who just wants to leave things as they are concerning NAFTA. Which is not good. But honestly is no worse than Obama or Clinton who actively push to make NAFTA more broad and expanded to more countries.
The list goes on.
No Candidate for the up and coming presidency will be good for America. One named Obama would cripple America and his presidency would be one of sheer Horrors because of the things he has promoted and the facts of who his inner circle really is.
Obama very well could be prosectuted and sent to prison because of some of his back room actions before he even ran for president. Face it. Obama is corrupt and simply deadly to America.