
A Texas group practices polygamy... where does religious liberty end and law begin?
Feds raid a polygamist's compound: What's wrong with that?
More than 400 children, mostly girls in pioneer dresses, were swept into state custody from a polygamist sect in what authorities described Monday as the largest child-welfare operation in Texas history. The dayslong raid on the sprawling compound built by now-jailed polygamist leader Warren Jeffs was sparked by a 16-year-old girl's call to authorities that she was being abused and that girls as young as 14 and 15 were being forced into marriages with much older men.
The members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints spent their days raising numerous children, tilling small gardens and doing chores. But at least one former resident says life was not some idyllic replica of 19th-century life. "Once you go into the compound, you don't ever leave it," said Carolyn Jessop, one of the wives of the alleged leader of the Eldorado complex. Jessop left with her eight children before the sect moved to Texas.
Jessop said the community emphasized self-sufficiency because they believed the apocalypse was near.
So. does the Texas compound have any claim to religious liberty in the United States today? Or was Monday's raid simply a matter of law and order? Is polygamy wrong?















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Polygamy = Wrong
Submitted on April 24th, 2008 by AnonymousPeople are making this much more complicated than it has to be.
The simple fact of the matter is not only does the Bible speak out against polygamy but so does the law. The people in this cult were breaking U.S. law! It's that simple!
Polygamy
Submitted on April 24th, 2008 by AnonymousI guess I'm Ok with the whole polygamy thing as long as it's not hurting anyone. But when 13 and 14-year-olds are bearing the children of much older men, there is a problem there.
Not to mention the absurd rules they upheld. Not laughing out loud? Really!
Human Behavior
Submitted on April 14th, 2008 by AnonymousI think God has more understanding of human behavior.
As far as human behavior goes all of us fall in that category. Polygamist as well but it still falls under the title of Christian Sin. Of course if your not a believer in the Christian God or in Christ you might not understand that it is sin.
Polygamy
Submitted on April 12th, 2008 by AnonymousAt least wishnevsky has an understanding of the crux of the issue and human behavior... the rest of you so far, are way out to lunch..!
From a Christians take
Submitted on April 12th, 2008 by AnonymousSince this touches on Religions, The bible says man can not live up to the law (Bible Laws) Values passed down before you or I was even born. That is why Christ came, was the perfect sacrifice, Died for our sins... But it doesn’t change the list of things that the Bible says are sins... There are man sins of the flesh,
A few would be Adultery, Immorality, Homosexuality, and Bestiality.
We are more then animals... We understand much more... But for some we want to call one thing sin and another Natural, Acceptable, Consenting Adults, and label what God has called Wrong, Right...
What's wrong with polygamy?
Submitted on April 12th, 2008 by AnonymousI agree with 4/9, the problem here is abuse, not polygamy.
As a gay male, I don't have the right in the US to marry even one person that I love, let alone many. Nevertheless, I've never understood the opposition people have towards polygamy. The only reasons I ever hear, as with just about anything related to sex or sexuality, are religious. To me, that's insufficient.
It seems to me that as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, where's the harm? Of course, it's all abstract for me, since I'll never be allowed to marry anyways. But if there are people who want to, as the Mormons seem to, and there's no abuse, as was clearly the case here, then why not let them? Why are people so insistent on telling strangers they will never know what they can and cannot do with their love life?
Unfortunately, it was about
Submitted on April 12th, 2008 by AnonymousUnfortunately, it was about both. Although abuse is the dominant reason for the raid, it was also the only legal grounds that would gain support. I guarantee you, though, that polygamy was the reason the raid was done swiftly and with such aggressiveness. Look at how many other abuse and domestic violence cases NEVER get attention, whereas this received unending investigation.
What they were doing was WRONG, but NOT because of their choice of polygamy but because of their treatment of children. People need to realize that there are individuals out there called polyamorists who know the right way to handle multi partner families. Please, end the discrimination.
"Is polygamy wrong?"
Submitted on April 9th, 2008 by AnonymousYour question is misplaced. The raid was about abuse, not polygamy.
homosexuality = barbarism?
Submitted on April 8th, 2008 by Anonymouswhat kind of medieval view of the world is this?
I can see slavery and Polygamy being discussed (even capital punishment) as barbarous, but homosexuality?
well, if you truly think that being gay is so unnatural, perhaps you should look at the natural world. Homosexuality can be found in nearly any animal species that breeds through sexual intercourse (even down to insects and worms). It's just as natural as masturbation or drug use (nearly all animals also masturbate and will seek out mind altering substances such as alcohol). The only difference is that animals don't kill each other over sexual preference. Animals are far more tolerant than we are.
Religious Right
Submitted on April 8th, 2008 by AnonymousI think not, when you have incest being committed to children 14 years of age. Someone needed to step in. Why did they let it go on so long to begin with?
There is nothing wrong with Polygamy
Submitted on April 8th, 2008 by AnonymousI am all for personal and religious freedom.
If a man wants multiple wives, and the wives are okay with that arrangement, then why not? In my view this should be a free country, and if that works for people, hey, all the power to them. But they should be of a consenting age entering into the "marriage" of their own free will.
What I can't condone is the way these cults force young girls into marriage, often at ages of 13 or 14-years old. That is clearly wrong on many levels. And the mentality of a man who would enter into such an arrangement is just sick.
Amazing that any one would
Submitted on April 8th, 2008 by wishnevskyAmazing that any one would try to excuse polygamy. Or to compare it to "Homosexuality and Abortion" That right side blog was one of he silliest things i have ever read. Exactly how many wrongs are needed to make a right?
Slavery, and polygamy, i should say enforced or directed polygamy are pretty much the same thing, making people give their services at the will of a "superior" race or gender. Slavery in practice almost always denied the validity of marriage for the enslaved, as their breeding was under the control of the master. That was the prime profit for the slave owner, more slaves.
The parallel to enforced polygamy is obvious and immediate.
If, for the sake of argument, several people of their own free will, entered into a polygamous or 'open" marriage, with no coercion, that would be one thing, but the Jeffs cult does not practice that system.
If a cult or state enforced homosexuality on unwilling persons, that would be obviously evil, but many people cannot, with the best of wills, see that enforcing heterosexuality on the unwilling could also be evil.
Similarly, enforced abortion would be evilly wrong, but voluntary birth control by whatever means come close to being an unalienable right, to the extent that no government could possibly monitor all the possible birth control methods available to an informed woman.
And the thing that all four of these topics have in common is control of other people and their sexuality. Slavery, of course, controls the totality of the subject's life, while the other three use sex or procreation to control the subject.
And almost all repressive religion is based on the oppression and control of women. That's the real issue in the Jeffs case. Control of women.