
Westboro Baptist Church, at a typical protest.
Funerals and the First Amendment: Which has priority?
The Kansas church that travels the country to protest at soldiers' funerals has won another victory. The Kansas Supreme Court on Tuesday struck down -- on technical grounds -- a law that prohibits such demonstrations.
"Nothing they put their hands on impacts us, so why keep messing with it?" said Shirley Phelps-Roper, daughter of Fred Phelps and attorney for his Westboro Baptist Church, which sets up pickets to oppose what it sees as America's acceptance of homosexuality. The litigious church has a history of winning First Amendment lawsuits.
But the Kansas Legislature is promising to revive the law, which has been passed in most U.S. states. The action revives an old debate: Where does the First Amendment right to protest end and common decency begin?















Thoughts
Patriot Guard
Submitted on March 17th, 2008 by AnonymousWhat a great bunch of people these are. My wife and I attended the funeral for one of my USAFA classmates whose remains had just been discovered in VietNam. THe military does know how to honor its own, with all due pomp and the gut-wrenching "missing man" flyby. But it was the silent vigil of the Patriot Guard, some 50 strong, that still brings tears to my eyes. Afterward we tried to thank each of them individually, but they all said the same thing: that it was their privilege and honor.
I would like to see the Kansas "church" leaders get to know the Patriot Riders a little better. Preferably in a dark alley.
Sandhillguy
Patriot Guard
Submitted on March 17th, 2008 by AnonymousWhat a great bunch of people these are. My wife and I attended the funeral for one of my USAFA classmates whose remains had just been discovered in VietNam. THe military does know how to honor its own, with all due pomp and the gut-wrenching "missing man" flyby. But it was the silent vigil of the Patriot Guard, some 50 strong, that still brings tears to my eyes. Afterward we tried to thank each of them individually, but they all said the same thing: that it was their privilege and honor.
I would like to see the Kansas "church" leaders get to know the Patriot Riders a little better. Preferably in a dark alley.
Sandhillguy
Easy solutions
Submitted on March 16th, 2008 by AnonymousInstead of so-called "violating ones first amendment rights" by shutting these people up. How about those being shouted at or mourning be allowed to express their second amendment rights without fear of government retribution as well? Just a thought... or perhaps just let those at the funeral beat the tar out of these jackasses without legal recourse... just a thought again.
How about a law saying interfering with a soldier's funeral is felony TREASON during a time of war. Let's do that.
How about making these cemetery's technically a "military base" with the soldiers just being "re-assigned"? Only those with the proper clearance or permission be allowed to enter just like any other base?
First amendment?? Do these dopes realize how much sweat and blood was shed to allow them to have the first amendment in the first place?
Frankly, this is a political church, it should have its non-profit status revoked.
There is nothing that upsets me more, is someone that claims to be Christian, hides under the veil of being a Christian, and never ever acts like like one. Yet justifies their behavior by claiming it's Christian, which it is not. How is what they are doing showing love towards your fellow man? How is making a parent or child cry more about their dead loved one, whilst these clowns shout hate at them, considered a "Christian act of love?"
Besides, Jesus, even in the very act of being crucified never said to rise up and picket the Romans. He did say "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's..." In other words, be a good citizen, as well as a good Christian.
Protest the protesters
Submitted on March 14th, 2008 by AnonymousIn my city of Meadville, PA there is a large divide between Iraq war protesters and Pro-War supporters. Recently the pro-war supporters protested against the protesters. And went as far to lease Diamond Park, the usual spot of the Iraq war protesters, and ban any anti-war protests from happening.
While the banning of the original protesters from protesting I thought was against the Constitution. Protesting against the protesters was a brilliant idea that I think we Americans should rally to. That way we could protest against this wacky church and it's cruel ways.
Some may say that those protesting the protesters would just make the situation worse. I however think that they (the Phelp's cult) have been unopposed for far too long and they have shown no sign that they will stop. If we Americans rally for our fallen soldiers at their funerals and scream at the top of our lungs "We honor (Rank) (Last Name) and we stand against those who would stain his name" and our voice crowds over whatever the Phelp's cult is spewing they will eventually see their cruel crusade of hate will not be heard over those who will honor these fallen heroes.
Leave it to the jurys
Submitted on March 14th, 2008 by AnonymousWhat jury in this country would put a father in jail for beating protesters tarnishing the name of his dead son?
Funeral Protests
Submitted on March 13th, 2008 by AnonymousI Have 3 Grandsons In Iraq and a 2nd Cousin. I am basically a peaceful 69 year old man who, if confronted by these butt holes at one of my grandsons (God Forbid) Funeral... That WILL change.
The real question is property rights...
Submitted on March 12th, 2008 by Chuck_JohnsonI'm a free speech absolutist but I think this issue can be solved with property rights.
If the funeral home or city cemetery lies on public land, even the hateful have the right to protest. Sorry, but that's the law and that's how it ought to stay.
But if it's on private land, they ought to be able to dictate the terms of the property.
Let me just say, though, for the record, that if I ever see something like this go on, I'll kick the protesters ass and take my chances in court.
Chuck Johnson is a student at Claremont McKenna College. Feel free to contact him.
Not at a funeral
Submitted on March 12th, 2008 by AnonymousA funeral is not the place to protest larger issues. You can argue what they stood for at another place and time. Let the family say farewell to their lost loved ones in peace.
Anon
Submitted on March 12th, 2008 by AnonymousI am a 25-30 male and I agree. Government needs to back off a bit and let people solve their own problems.
I'm not sure I can endorse violence
Submitted on March 12th, 2008 by JoelBut I can endorse the work of the Patriot Guard, which gathers dozens of motorcyclists to stand as a barrier between the protesters and the funerals. The best response to bad speech is more speech, and that's what the Patriot Guard, in essence, does.
A Simple Solution to Funeral Protests
Submitted on March 12th, 2008 by AnonymousI am a 50+ year old male, and I remember a simpler time long before our government engaged in the stupidity of inventing hate crime. In those simple days, if you used racially offensive language in the wrong place, someone would punch you in the nose, and you learned a valuable lesson.
So what does this have to do with protesting at funerals ? It is very simple. We do not need laws that water down the first amendment. People should have the right to protest at funerals. However, if some soldier friends of the fallen hero happen to beat the hell out of the protestors, then the protestors will have learned a valuable lesson.