
Harvard students demonstrate in 1999 following a sexual assault case on campus.
Are campus rape statistics inflated?
Rape is the touchiest of topics, but it's a topic that is predominant on many university campuses. Rapes on America's college campuses are among the least reported crimes. According to some experts, as many as 85 percent of college rapes and assaults go unreported.
Eighty percent would be an enormous figure, but it's a difficult estimate to confirm. Could college rapes be overstated? Could the numbers be inflated for ideological reasons? Is it possible to diagnose a problem without accurate data? Or is the horrific nature of the crime of rape impossible to quantify?















Thoughts
Correction
Submitted on February 26th, 2008 by me againReplace "should" with "should not" -- I meant to say that "I am the last person on Earth to argue that women should not be allowed..."
Re: Legitimate rape
Submitted on February 26th, 2008 by Jim LakelyWhat is a legitimate rape? Simply this: A rape that actually occurred, as in giving no consent to sexual intercourse; against the women's will. That is, not a sexual encounter that one merely regrets later -- as feminists encourage its definition to be on college campuses.
I dearly hope, Jo, that you read MacDonald's piece on this issue. It's long, but worth the time. Because if we are going to have a loooong discussion over semantics, with people getting outraged over the use of language ... well, I might as well give up now and declare victory for why MacDonald's piece was necessary.
"Legitimate Rape"?
Submitted on February 26th, 2008 by JoJim Lakely:
How precisely do you define "legitimate rape"?
Treading (a little less) carefully
Submitted on February 26th, 2008 by Jim LakelyJoel,
I understand your desire to tread carefully -- and that reluctance is a major reason MacDonald tread so necessarily with little care: To burst the impenetrable bubble of criticism on this issue.
It goes without saying, yet we'll say it here: Women who are raped on college campuses are victims of a horrible crime. A brutal crime that is hard to report. A crime that men can not even imagine. And it exposes one's good character -- the character of a gentleman -- to be reluctant to question the validity of such claims.
That said, MacDonald says things that need to be said. Namely, that the militant feminist culture of the modern college campus has devalued legitimate rape by, frankly, defining rape down. And they have had reign to do so by exploiting our cultural betters on this subject. The result, after years of such exploitation, has been to create a farce that does no service to victims of real rape.
Such things are uncomfortable to talk about, but I'm glad -- not gleeful -- that MacDonald has started an important discussion. If this issue is an "ideological beach ball," it is not MacDonald who had made it so.
Treading carefully
Submitted on February 25th, 2008 by JoelLet me acknowledge at the outset of my comments that this is a sensitive and volatile matter ... for reasons that have nothing to do with ideology. Rape isn't merely -- or shouldn't merely -- be batted around lightly as though it were a beach ball in the never-ending back-and-forth between left and right.
Let me also say this: I don't know how often rape happens on college campuses. Is it as often as is claimed in the studies that Mac Donald purports to refute? Again, I don't know.
What I do know, with some certainty, is that the problem is much bigger than she suggests in this paragraph of her LA Times essay:
The key word there is "reported." Rape isn't reported as often as it happens, not by a long shot, because -- truth be told -- there's not a lot of incentive to do the reporting, particularly in cases of acquaintance rape. I've covered sexual assault trials; I can tell you that it's often devastating for a victim to have to go in front of a jury. Many women opt out, and never show up on a crime report.
There's more I could say here, but it would be a batch of warmed-over arguments, on both sides, going back to Katie Roiphe's writings in the early 1990s. Suffice it to say there's more support for the numbers than Mac Donald suggests. Anybody who cares can Google up the particulars.
Let me offer, though, two more thoughts that are less about numbers and methodology and more about the philosophy of this argument:
* I thought the ugliest part of Mac Donald's argument was the part Chuck quoted below. In the hypersexualized atmosphere of a modern college campus, Mac Donald suggests, men "you bet!" get drunk and act thuggish. And women get drunk and (Mac Donald implies, though she's too careful to say so)act slutty.
Mac Donald's solution? I'm paraphrasing here, but roughly speaking it is this: "Hey girls, stop acting so drunkenly slutty!"
But Mac Donald's suggestion that women "share responsibility" for the sexual outcome of an evening out works only if both sides agree to share responsibility. And Mac Donald, so intent on making sure we understand campus rape isn't that widespread can't or won't offer up even a sentence of this: "Hey boys, stop acting like drunken thugs and start acting like gentlemen!"
Given the stakes here, that's a startling omission.
And that leads me to my final point:
* It's been interesting, and disturbing, watching discussion of Mac Donald's essay spread across the Internet. Among people who welcome the article, the tone has been, at times (though not universally) gleeful.
I suppose that's because the essay, as some conservatives like to say, irritates "all the right people," in this case those annoying feminists and liberals.
As I said at the beginning: We shouldn't treat this issue like an ideological beach ball. For those half-dozen or more women that Mac Donald will agree have been raped on a campus each year, rape IS a crisis. We can discuss the numbers, and the response, as much as we need -- but we should never forget or diminish the experience of people who really have suffered.
Myths, Lies, Distortions, and Rape Statistics
Submitted on February 25th, 2008 by Chuck_JohnsonThis is a reposting from my blog.
Heather Mac Donald exposed the dubious claims of several organization that believe, without proof, that rape is an everyday event on American college campuses.
Here are my favorite paragraphs:
It's as if Ms. Mac Donald were actually on campus to observe. She might have a few words to say about this Claremont Portside article riddled, as it is, with bogus statistics and feminist agenda. (Fortunately, Dan O'Toole CMC '09 and others have taken that article's authors to task.)
I wrote Ms. Mac Donald several years ago when I was caught, unarmed, in a politically correct firestorm. Though some students on campus threatened to kill me and assaulted a fellow student over our critical examination of the school's diversity program, I was, curiously enough, the only one punished.
After I was given an administrative slap on the wrist -- the school had first threatened me with expulsion -- I came across Mac Donald's article entitled "Prep School P.C. Plague." Her depiction of the political correctness cabal mirrored everything about my experience.
Eventually, I sent her an email, asking her why she didn't focus too much on my former prep school, Milton Academy. She responded about how it was just too easy to poke holes in. Unfortunately, she's right. What a pity there isn't a FIRE for high school students.
What - no one wants to touch this one?
Submitted on February 25th, 2008 by j.d.Wieners - I'll touch it. (The story, that is. Not wieners.)
What has happened here happens all the time -- albeit on much less serious issues -- on the college campuses I've been on. There's a pattern.
For a variety of reasons, Security Incident A and Security Protocol A (I became familiar with this pattern in the context of computer security, but it applies to personal security as well) are not at the top-of-mind. (Ignorance in the case of computer security, sexual libertinism in the case of personal security.) Then, a gross violation of Security Protocol A, resulting in Incident A, occurs (losing data/sexual assault), and then there is a massive overcorrection and the institution of Protocols B, C, D, E, and F, and boards/committees of Protocols and Incident Prevention to deal with the problem -- problems that might have (or might not have -- not all problems are preventable) been avoided entirely through the application of a few simple precautions.
Now, I'm the last person on Earth that's going to argue that adult women should be allowed to do as (who?) they please. And no, if a woman gets drunk or stoned and then gets assaulted, it's not her fault. Predatory behavior is predatory behavior. As I said, sometimes the precautions don't work. But I don't walk in bad neighborhoods for the sheer pleasure of the walk, either.
Now, here's a closing exercise: Name one state university at which women have the right to defend themselves against such violations of their rights with force.
I can't.