Well, I'd love to say that they shouldn't be banned, but the harsh reality is that there really are people with an extreme lack of tack or empathy who don't care what kind of soap box they happen to stand on. In all honesty, I don't know. It's sad that the question needs to be asked, though.
this is a strange question that inspires even more... i would say it has to do with who owns the property the funeral will be held on... they can decide. in addition, either through monetary exchange or by simply asking, those arranging the funeral could convince the owners of the property, probably a church, to disallow entry. no one has the right to enter into someone elses property without their consent... as for "publically owned" property, i say suction it off... it shouldnt exist.
Anybody who thinks that the constitutional right to freedom of speech has no limits should come into my house and use bad language. They would soon learn their limitations.
Saying that this is 'preventing free speech' is completely preposterous. In no way, shape or form can this be considered a forum to stage protests of any type.
For those using the famous 'slippery slope' cliche, I say poppycock. And, do you know why I can say that? Because we are discussing this in an open and public forum.
Snip: "the right of the people peaceably to assemble," Just a part of the amendment, yet a very pertinent one. "PEACEABLY"? Look it up. Let me know if causing a riot is listed as one of the definitions.
I expect that storming a prenatal unit in a hospital would be the next logical step in broadening 1st amendment rights. If we continue down this 'slippery slope', Reverend Phelps bursting into our bedrooms with protests against birth control can be expected. No?
The answer to such obnoxious speech is more speech... That is a prime example of brainwashing you into thinking freedom of speech is bad. WAKE UP and realize that your freedoms are being stripped away..
The government can't make it illegal to stand on the street outside of a funeral and protest, but they can make it illegal to set a toe on the privately owned gravesite if the owners (or leasers) don't want you there. That the government shall make no law infringing on the freedom of speech does not mean they shall make laws preventing private citizens (and companies) from infringing on your freedom of speech.
I think not. If it is in a funeral home: the protesters can be removed, businesses have the right to refuse service, as long as it is not based on race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation (maybe?). If you go into a Wal-mart and start raving "I hate the president" you can be removed...
As well as in the parking lot...
Or the gravesite...
I don't know about federally-owned funeral sites...
"Plain and simple, it's in the constitution.
As Americans, they are born with the RIGHT (not privelidge) to express their beliefs peacefully.
Peaceful protest, is peaceful protest."
Not entirely correct. The 1st amendment stops the government from passing laws which stop free speech. But as long as the funeral isn't held on government property, the private property owners can limit your freedom of speech all they want.
One creates dangerous panic and gets people hurt/killed.
The other is just disrespectful and disgusting, but doesn't have the potential to get anybody killed (except maybe the protester should he do that at my son's funeral).
You can't say what you want, when you want. For example, if I were to go into a large crowd and scream "FIRE!", I would be arrested for inciting panic and would most likely be held responsible for any injuries that resulted from the frenzied crowd.
In all constitutional debates I think it is important to consider the intent of our forefathers. Our forefathers wanted to ensure that the American people would never be denied the right to protest the government. I ,of course, agree with this notion. However, to position your protest so as to antagonize a grieving family, steps beyond a necessary freedom. If those same protesters would choose city hall or the town center I would not oppose them at all, and their message would still be heard. It is amazing to me how politics override pragmatism in this debate. How is the freedom to protest in a specific location override the freedom to mourn the passing of your loved ones in peace?
Secondly, the constant coverage of these protests are giving the protesters exactly what they want.
Plain and simple, it's in the constitution.
As Americans, they are born with the RIGHT (not privelidge) to express their beliefs peacefully.
Peaceful protest, is peaceful protest.
see the thing is, freedom of speech is saying what you want when you want, sure consideration is nice, but what is consideration to one is different to another,so were do we judge this from>?
My area has been blessed with none of this kind of protest happening but if one does and I am in attendance I will be charged with assault because I will do my best to put an end to it. They have the freedom of speech and I will disagree to allow it to happen. Not on my watch.
Cheerily
IJK
veteran USN
Clearly the demonstrating at a funeral is a horrible disrespectful thing for the family. The demonstrators are as low as anybody can go. However, we can never let up one inch on a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution. . . NEVER. Perhaps some reasonable regulation could be applied to public funerals through some thoughtful debate by responsible legislators. Somewhat like the ruling associated with the "You can't yell FIRE in a theater."
People should be free to protest funerals to the extent that the people who own the land of the cemetery allow them. If it is public ground, then, yes, anybody should be free to say anything there. Of course, owners of private property should be free to eject anyone they want from their property for any reason whatsoever.
We've gotten to the point in the U.S. where we're so concerned with infringing on some people's rights that we forfeit other people's. Political correctness is way out of control around here!
Just like in Abortion Clinics, you can move the protest to a non-disruptive distance. You can keep protestors from harassing attendees. Can you completely prevent a protest on public land? Probably not, even if it's in bad taste. Of course, there are limits based on how disruptive the event is, if they're inciting unlawful conduct, etc.
If its a private cemetery, you can absolutely keep the off the property entirely.
The current law states that any protest may be held anywhere, anytime, but it can be moved by authorities if they feel it it is a disruption to public order.
I think they should be able to protest whatever they want, but because it is a private matter, at least a halfmile away.
In America we place a high value on the freedom we have to speak freely in public forums.
This freedom has limits.
If you are standing outside my house, at midnight, with a bullhorn shouting political slogans, you are violating my right to a good nights sleep and we're going to have a problem.
Similairly, a funeral is a private event. A certain amount of space surrounding the service becomes a bubble of privacy. Even if there are not literal walls, the meeting should be considered as taking place within a church or other private setting.
Unfortunately, free speech extends even to those people such as these obviously misguided and disrespectful individuals. To say I have nothing but disdain for people who protest at funerals is an understatement. To turn another's tragedy into your short term, short live, short sighted, and not very effective, political gain is disgusting.
However, it is free speech, and you begin to limit it and the slippery slope is formed.
Thoughts
Ignorant eh?
Submitted on April 17th, 2008 by AnonymousIt's ignorant to apply a persons right to freedom of speech and peaceful assembly?
Well, I'd love to say that
Submitted on April 16th, 2008 by AnonymousWell, I'd love to say that they shouldn't be banned, but the harsh reality is that there really are people with an extreme lack of tack or empathy who don't care what kind of soap box they happen to stand on. In all honesty, I don't know. It's sad that the question needs to be asked, though.
Any vote other than 'YES'
Submitted on April 16th, 2008 by AnonymousAny vote other than 'YES' would be sheer ignorance!
There's nothing...
Submitted on April 16th, 2008 by AnonymousThere's nothing more peaceful and emotional than a funeral. That's no place for protest.
well...
Submitted on April 15th, 2008 by philthis is a strange question that inspires even more... i would say it has to do with who owns the property the funeral will be held on... they can decide. in addition, either through monetary exchange or by simply asking, those arranging the funeral could convince the owners of the property, probably a church, to disallow entry. no one has the right to enter into someone elses property without their consent... as for "publically owned" property, i say suction it off... it shouldnt exist.
this question doesnt even need to be asked.
Should protesters be banned from funerals.
Submitted on April 15th, 2008 by AnonymousAnybody who thinks that the constitutional right to freedom of speech has no limits should come into my house and use bad language. They would soon learn their limitations.
I agree
Submitted on April 15th, 2008 by AnonymousI wish someone would have the balls to come protest at one of my family member's funeral... I'm pretty sure they'd think twice before doing it again.
Free Speech not relevant
Submitted on April 14th, 2008 by AnonymousSaying that this is 'preventing free speech' is completely preposterous. In no way, shape or form can this be considered a forum to stage protests of any type.
For those using the famous 'slippery slope' cliche, I say poppycock. And, do you know why I can say that? Because we are discussing this in an open and public forum.
Snip: "the right of the people peaceably to assemble," Just a part of the amendment, yet a very pertinent one. "PEACEABLY"? Look it up. Let me know if causing a riot is listed as one of the definitions.
I expect that storming a prenatal unit in a hospital would be the next logical step in broadening 1st amendment rights. If we continue down this 'slippery slope', Reverend Phelps bursting into our bedrooms with protests against birth control can be expected. No?
FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Submitted on April 14th, 2008 by AnonymousThe answer to such obnoxious speech is more speech... That is a prime example of brainwashing you into thinking freedom of speech is bad. WAKE UP and realize that your freedoms are being stripped away..
SAY IM WRONG...
Kevin Taylor
funeral protests
Submitted on April 10th, 2008 by AnonymousSure they can have the right to free expression, but only if I can freely express myself by beating them with an aluminum bat.
funerals without protesters
Submitted on April 10th, 2008 by AnonymousMourners have the right to bid farewell to their loved ones without ignorant morons making fools of themselves.
No but,
Submitted on April 10th, 2008 by AnonymousI don't think a jury of my peers
would find me guilty for beating Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr ass!
Since when has it been OK
Submitted on April 9th, 2008 by AnonymousSince when has it been OK for the government to criminalize a general lack of respect, though?
The Constitution only applies to the government
Submitted on April 9th, 2008 by AnonymousThe government can't make it illegal to stand on the street outside of a funeral and protest, but they can make it illegal to set a toe on the privately owned gravesite if the owners (or leasers) don't want you there. That the government shall make no law infringing on the freedom of speech does not mean they shall make laws preventing private citizens (and companies) from infringing on your freedom of speech.
A Yes from a Democrat
Submitted on April 8th, 2008 by AnonymousI don't care what you're protesting, don't do it at a funeral. Whatever happened to respect?
On private or business property?
Submitted on April 8th, 2008 by AnonymousI think not. If it is in a funeral home: the protesters can be removed, businesses have the right to refuse service, as long as it is not based on race, gender, religion, or sexual orientation (maybe?). If you go into a Wal-mart and start raving "I hate the president" you can be removed...
As well as in the parking lot...
Or the gravesite...
I don't know about federally-owned funeral sites...
"Plain and simple, it's in
Submitted on April 8th, 2008 by Anonymous"Plain and simple, it's in the constitution.
As Americans, they are born with the RIGHT (not privelidge) to express their beliefs peacefully.
Peaceful protest, is peaceful protest."
Not entirely correct. The 1st amendment stops the government from passing laws which stop free speech. But as long as the funeral isn't held on government property, the private property owners can limit your freedom of speech all they want.
yelling fire, funeral protest, different
Submitted on April 8th, 2008 by AnonymousOne creates dangerous panic and gets people hurt/killed.
The other is just disrespectful and disgusting, but doesn't have the potential to get anybody killed (except maybe the protester should he do that at my son's funeral).
No, you're wrong
Submitted on April 8th, 2008 by AnonymousYou can't say what you want, when you want. For example, if I were to go into a large crowd and scream "FIRE!", I would be arrested for inciting panic and would most likely be held responsible for any injuries that resulted from the frenzied crowd.
Lets be pragmatic...
Submitted on April 7th, 2008 by AnonymousIn all constitutional debates I think it is important to consider the intent of our forefathers. Our forefathers wanted to ensure that the American people would never be denied the right to protest the government. I ,of course, agree with this notion. However, to position your protest so as to antagonize a grieving family, steps beyond a necessary freedom. If those same protesters would choose city hall or the town center I would not oppose them at all, and their message would still be heard. It is amazing to me how politics override pragmatism in this debate. How is the freedom to protest in a specific location override the freedom to mourn the passing of your loved ones in peace?
Secondly, the constant coverage of these protests are giving the protesters exactly what they want.
EXACTLY
Submitted on April 7th, 2008 by AnonymousPlain and simple, it's in the constitution.
As Americans, they are born with the RIGHT (not privelidge) to express their beliefs peacefully.
Peaceful protest, is peaceful protest.
see the thing is, freedom of
Submitted on April 6th, 2008 by Anonymoussee the thing is, freedom of speech is saying what you want when you want, sure consideration is nice, but what is consideration to one is different to another,so were do we judge this from>?
because it's in the
Submitted on April 6th, 2008 by Anonymousbecause it's in the constitution.
Why is it that we seem to
Submitted on April 6th, 2008 by AnonymousWhy is it that we seem to think our freedom of speech trumps our responsibility of consideration?
It will not happen near me
Submitted on March 22nd, 2008 by AnonymousMy area has been blessed with none of this kind of protest happening but if one does and I am in attendance I will be charged with assault because I will do my best to put an end to it. They have the freedom of speech and I will disagree to allow it to happen. Not on my watch.
Cheerily
IJK
veteran USN
Not so easy. .
Submitted on March 18th, 2008 by AnonymousClearly the demonstrating at a funeral is a horrible disrespectful thing for the family. The demonstrators are as low as anybody can go. However, we can never let up one inch on a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution. . . NEVER. Perhaps some reasonable regulation could be applied to public funerals through some thoughtful debate by responsible legislators. Somewhat like the ruling associated with the "You can't yell FIRE in a theater."
No, but...
Submitted on March 18th, 2008 by AnonymousPeople should be free to protest funerals to the extent that the people who own the land of the cemetery allow them. If it is public ground, then, yes, anybody should be free to say anything there. Of course, owners of private property should be free to eject anyone they want from their property for any reason whatsoever.
Then there is no such thing
Submitted on March 18th, 2008 by AnonymousHow can you be free to live when I am free to kill you?
Just sayin'.
whose freedom?
Submitted on March 17th, 2008 by AnonymousWe've gotten to the point in the U.S. where we're so concerned with infringing on some people's rights that we forfeit other people's. Political correctness is way out of control around here!
Re: Not so much
Submitted on March 17th, 2008 by JoelBut of course freedom has limits. They're called "laws." And even the freest society has them.
I'm not in favor of laws that restrict protests -- and I'm certainly not in favor of calling it "treason". But I think you oversimplify, somewhat.
Not so much.
Submitted on March 17th, 2008 by AnonymousFreedom "with limits" isn't freedom.
Just sayin'.
Just like in Abortion
Submitted on March 15th, 2008 by AnonymousJust like in Abortion Clinics, you can move the protest to a non-disruptive distance. You can keep protestors from harassing attendees. Can you completely prevent a protest on public land? Probably not, even if it's in bad taste. Of course, there are limits based on how disruptive the event is, if they're inciting unlawful conduct, etc.
If its a private cemetery, you can absolutely keep the off the property entirely.
This freedom has limits?
Submitted on March 14th, 2008 by AnonymousRight there you showed you have no idea what the spirit of the Bill of Rights is.
The current law states that
Submitted on March 13th, 2008 by AnonymousThe current law states that any protest may be held anywhere, anytime, but it can be moved by authorities if they feel it it is a disruption to public order.
I think they should be able to protest whatever they want, but because it is a private matter, at least a halfmile away.
Free speach and the dead
Submitted on March 13th, 2008 by AnonymousIn America we place a high value on the freedom we have to speak freely in public forums.
This freedom has limits.
If you are standing outside my house, at midnight, with a bullhorn shouting political slogans, you are violating my right to a good nights sleep and we're going to have a problem.
Similairly, a funeral is a private event. A certain amount of space surrounding the service becomes a bubble of privacy. Even if there are not literal walls, the meeting should be considered as taking place within a church or other private setting.
Poor taste.
Submitted on March 12th, 2008 by The Big KlosowskiUnfortunately, free speech extends even to those people such as these obviously misguided and disrespectful individuals. To say I have nothing but disdain for people who protest at funerals is an understatement. To turn another's tragedy into your short term, short live, short sighted, and not very effective, political gain is disgusting.
However, it is free speech, and you begin to limit it and the slippery slope is formed.