Women should receive equal pay for equal work. A simple concept, but is it enforceable?
Maybe not. Last year, the Supreme Court ruled that Lilly Ledbetter couldn't sue her former employer for sexual discrimination because she waited too long -- more than the 180-day limit -- after receiving her first unfair paycheck. But Ledbetter said she didn't discover the details of the discrimination until she had worked more than 18 years, making such a filing impossible. A new Senate bill would widen the window for sexual discrimination lawsuits, but Senate Republicans are opposed.
Should it become law? Ben Boychuk and Joel Mathis, moderators of RedBlueAmerica.com, weigh in.
Ben Boychuk
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act is a misnomer. Ledbetter certainly wouldn't benefit -- Congress can't restore the $3.3 million judgment that the Supreme Court rightly tossed out in 2007. And the law wouldn't be the least bit fair. If signed into law, the measure would be a boon for trial lawyers but a bust for equal justice.
The Supreme Court ruled in Ledbetter's case that federal law limited lawsuits to 180 days after an alleged act of discrimination took place. The new bill would let women sue employers for wage discrimination up to 180 days after they leave a job, even if the discrimination occurred years or even decades earlier. What's wrong with that? Employees come and go. Memories fade. Records get lost. People die. But the possibility of a lawsuit lives forever. How is that justice?
Such a law wouldn't help women entering the workplace for the first time, any more than a law mandating absolute, dollar-for-dollar equal pay for men and women would eliminate inequality. Mandates hurt more than they help. Employers would find ways to protect themselves and their bottom lines, even if that means hiring fewer people or cutting wages across the board. The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act would be a setback for women. President Bush would do well to veto it if it should ever reach his desk.
Joel Mathis
Last year's Supreme Court decision was a boon for sexists and cheats. In ruling against Lilly Ledbetter, the court said this to businesses: "Go ahead and discriminate against your female employees! If you can hide your wrongdoing for six months, you're in the clear!"
Perhaps this was the correct technical ruling, but it's awful policy. A woman has the right to expect she will receive the same wages as a man for doing the same good job as a man. Furthermore, she has the right to hold her employer accountable for falling short of the standard -- and the right to expect there will be no artificial barriers to that accountability.
The proposed bill removes those barriers. It doesn't let a woman sue for up to 180 days after she has left a job; it lets her sue up to 180 days after the last act of discrimination. (Under the Supreme Court ruling, the clock starts ticking with the first such act.) If employers don't want to see the time limit constantly extended into the future, all they have to do is stop handing out unfair paychecks! When the discrimination ends, so does the threat of a lawsuit.
That hardly plagues businesses with the prospect of unending litigation, but it does give female employees a fighting chance at fair pay. Congress should pass this important bill.













Thoughts
(Equal working opportunities.)
Submitted on April 29th, 2008 by CashMoneyIf I was a woman, I would like to get the same respect as others. I wouldn't want to get discriminated just because I'm a woman. I believe if a woman feels that she is getting discriminated, action from a higher authority should step in the workplace and get rid of the discriminators.
Women President
Submitted on April 27th, 2008 by AnonymousKathy,
It sounds like you associate with the wrong kind of men. After eight years of Bush, it would be nice if we could have a peace maker for president.
Hillary has an axe to grind and will be no better than Bush. The attributes of women that you posted would be best suited for stay at home mother. which is the most important job around.
What do women do best?
Submitted on April 27th, 2008 by AnonymousWomen find solutions to problems. We may cry and we may be demanding at times but we run a home compentantly and efficiently. We resolve the problems or children and teachers and we do it very well. We organize the lives of our families so we can be a family. We schedule in work and home so our children can be sussessful. We budget our finances to make ends meet.
What do guys do? Blow up, pout and get drunk then fight it out.
Women bring about peace and I think its high time a woman took the presidency. With a female in the lead things for our children will definetly improve.
Kathy Andrade
Pay and equality for all:
Submitted on April 27th, 2008 by AnonymousSure, if you live in a dream world.
In today's society where companies can hire contractors at half the pay of thier own employees I would say that is discrimination.
We do the same job and work the same hours but get no benefits or equal pay, for a chance of becoming a permanent employee. It doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman.
So why don't laws protect all people, because its just plain good business to hire contractors at half the pay with no benefits because it save the company money.
Thats the way it is in todays world so I really don't see what being female has to do the the rate of pay in the work place.
Kathy Andrade
Voting, What will happen to our country
Submitted on April 25th, 2008 by AnonymousFor one, I know that GOD did not intend for a woman to run a country. For two, the lies and fraud that a candidate feels that they have to committ in order win the votes of American people is just uncanny! What does it profit a man to lie? And third, the American people are through with Republicans. I for one am a Republican, but if someone is elected into office and decides to pull troops, then they can be impeached! What to do huh? I know one thing, I do not have a choice but to vote, but I feel that God will lead me to vote for HIS GLORY, not mine! That is what is wrong with this counrty anymore, no one in government will speak about GOD anymore, whether they want to or not. I work for the federal government and I DO have the right to voice my opinion. Nevertheless, people need GOD back in schools and everywhere else in this world!
Women's Lib & Suing for Equal Pay
Submitted on April 25th, 2008 by AnonymousWomen changed the idea of the workplace during WW2 when they had to take the jobs the men left when they served our country to keep the economy and backup for WW2.
Hanging on to old ideas in believing that women are only designated to be kept barefoot and pregnant is what Polygamy is somewhat about and what the burkas are about.
The reason families are falling apart are that MEN are often abandoning the ship or won't do their share for the family THEY also created.
As far as suing for equal pays, I know of a woman CEO who was replaced by a man and sued and was given 3 years severance pays and a large sum. But the ordinary employee cannot afford to sue and possibly LOSE. Therefore, if women want equal pay and rights they need to stick together like the blacks do. This election is a good example of women not caring to stick together like the blacks and why they in society are the big losers ---always !!!
Women's Lib a Fatal Error
Submitted on April 24th, 2008 by AnonymousWomen's lib was a lesbian dream of hell on earth were they could be superior to men in every way.
The average house wife bought into their dream and now we have millions of broken homes and neglected children.
The economy was adjusted to absorb women working and now it takes two full time workers to meet the cost of living. The net gain for women was death in combat, broken homes, a house to keep and children to raise by themselves and a demanding job or two to survive the cost of living. So much for home sweet home.
oh, and another thing
Submitted on April 24th, 2008 by justiblestudies linked in this debate also point out that women are far less likely to negotiate their salary.
So if we legislate equal pay, won't this simply mean salary schedules for everyone, and and end to merit pay? Or will this law effect a rough equivalent of Title IX for corporate salaries? No more negotiations! Just keep everyone equal by guaranteeing a cost of living "raise" that somehow always lags behind the rate of inflation.
Because, man, salary schedules sure work for K-12 teachers, don't they? Equal pay, straight across the board. And horrible teachers are retained because nobody wants to work in an environment in which those who work harder or better or both aren't rewarded.
What a boon this law wold be.
fill in the gap, please
Submitted on April 24th, 2008 by justibleI hadn't heard a good response to the argument that if you factor out sick leave and maternity leave and compare true years worked to true years work, suddenly there IS no gender pay gap. So I can't agree with Joel's use of the so-called pay gap unless or until he knocks down that obstacle for me.
But as to the right to sue, basically saying there IS no statute of limitations when it comes to gender discrimination seems like a horrible choice. What other crimes should we also eliminate the statute for?
a bottomless pit
Submitted on April 23rd, 2008 by John 2000of trial lawyer and taxpayer abuse.
just look at the 400+ lawyers who where there at the get go of the Texas feeding frenzy. I couldn't resolve what disgusted me most -- the allegations or the 'system'.