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Hmmm let me think a moment on that.

Are you talking the insurgent feelings or the real people's feelings?

When the allies liberated Iraq in 2002 the population of Iraq was happy and you saw scences like the liberation of Europe in WWII.

The people of Iraq was extremely for what happened.

Then you had the chaos. Lack of leadership by the likes of Rumsfeld and commanders on the ground that allowed things to get out of hand. When the military saw that people were begining to loot, they should have cleared the streets.

They did it 23 days later so do not say that it could not be done. That 23-day chaos, allowed many of the extremist to assess properly that America was not going to crack down on criminals nor chase after small bands of sectarian reprisals.

Fast forward to the first elections. The people of Iraq on the day of Elections praised the allies and were happy at the idea of a government of the people. Although it may not be a government most Americans would approve of its still a government of the people.

Yea 15% of the population boycotted mainly the core baths but that was to be expected considering Saddam and several of his Generals had not been captured by that time.

Now today, what do we have. Its the same criminals who went around and looted in gangs that are attached to extremist sectarian radical domestic violence. They are similar to Al Qaeda except their violence is not directed at the Allies or the government in general. These groups like the Sadr Army is fighting for political power and for intimidation. A bigger piece of the pie is you will.

Then you have the real insurgents. They are brought in by Al Qaeda, or people like Al Sadr to help raise their numbers and to replace their numbers. Each calling for Jihad and to fight the kafirs who are in an Islamic land.

So what does the real people of Iraq feel? Disappointment, some what betrayed and feel like they are getting the short end of the stick.

But how do they feel should America leave before America finishes the job?

Fear, Return of another government like Saddom or worse, hatred of America because America left them in their time of need.

Lets face it. Bush and his counsel screwed up.

But lets not have another president come in and make a bad situation worse.

Right now, violence is down despite the media's reports. The truth is that 90% of Iraq is generally peaceful. There is 5 hot spots. America fixes one and the other pops up. The insurgents and Al Qaeda run from one hot spot to the other and back again. Eventually, It will take more troops on the ground.

What the Iraqis have done on their own in Basera is very good news. Although there is fighting here, 98% of the city of Basra is fully in the control of the Iraqi government.

We are witnessing a transition. This transition can not happen over time. Give time for the Iraqis to learn from the mistakes of Basera once they finish it completely.

What we are seeing in Iraq today is what we should have seen in Iraq in 2003. We had 4 years of bad management. What changed?
Rumsfeld was fired and a new commander on the ground.

Suddenly after 10 months after this change and its order new set of direction, Iraq is on track like it should have been back in 2003.

Those who are just so filled with hate of Bush and just so antiwar and anti-military, need to take a deep breath and take a step back.

We are seeing something in Iraq that is different than anything before. we are seeing the Iraqis take charge of parts of their country with force.

The government is even willing to rock the boat along their party lines to reach a stable Iraq.

I would bet you $1000 that Iraq will be even safer by December and that most of the domestic problems other than what is caused by Iran, Syria and Al Qaeda will be resolved.

I expect that it will take about 5 more years to stamp out completely the insurgency and hunt down all of the Al Qaeda influence. About 2 more years on this current road till America will have almost zero combat responsibilities other than special ops against the enemy.

That is what I see. I am not suger coating it. I am not pandering to the masses who do not understand the failures or are pissed off to the extreme with the blunders of the Bush presidency.

But mark my words and take it to the bank, Obama will cause more problems and will destroy American Foreign interest and make America more vulnerable and if he follows through on his promise on the troops as of January 15, 2009 if he is president, then its extremely possible that all that was gained in Iraq in 2007 and this year will be wiped out and it more than likely that Iraq could spiral into Caos again and even into Civil war along Sectarian lines.

That is Iran's hope and goal and why they are working and pushing insurgencies and sending arms and supplies to the criminals and terrorists. Iran will join the Shiite group, And will then make a puppet state in Iraq which will finally connect Iran to Syria in a unified tri-country power of God. That's what Iran calls it and its what Iran hopes for.

If they do control, Iraq, Iran has said for more than 36 years that it would attack Israel and wipe them from the face of the earth. The problem for Iran is they can not get their troops and supplies to Syria because Iraq is in the way.

Its time people stop listening to the media morons and really listen to the leaders of the countries like Iran, Syria.

Its amazing how much you will find is not reported by the media or how off the media really is.

I suggest that you contact the War college and request the history of insurgency of Post WWII.

There were 24 operations. Operation Werewolf was just one of those 24 and was famous because they hung people in the town square by the dozens in several towns.

The longest running operation was YSS Deliverance. Its goal was to disarm the youth gangs and the youth SS camps who were the future soldiers of Nazi Germany. In the last weeks of the war. Hitler activated these kid warriors. They were notable in sniping and killing of radom soldiers and city officials whom they thought collaborated with the allies.

The point is that the last operation came to an end in November of 1949. That was Operation Vulan's Hammer. It dealt with gun running, smuggling and radom murder of Allied soldiers.

Please do not embarrass yourself further.

The point is that Rumsfeld screwed the pooch in Iraq. He went with too little force to hold the country properly and to prevent looting and other basics crimes.

Because Rumsfeld refused to allow the military deal with criminals and with the looting and with the rise of mini militias, we have what we have today.

Right wrong or just plain idiocy.

The solution is not to ignore the problems and hope it goes away. Suddenly removing our troops does not solve the problem either other than make the US less safe and make the enemy more bold and more willing to attack the US next time they have a chance. And do not even try to say there will not be a next time because, all the leaders of the insurgents, to Al Queda to Iran all say that upon victory is to take the fight to the US here in the great ole USA and on Main Street USA.

should we have had better leadership? Absolutely without a single doubt. Did GWB screw up? Yes He did. Mainly because of the people he took advise from was bad advise.

Right choices based on bad advise is always doomed to cause problems or failures. Thus that is what we have with Iraq.

In 2001 and 2002, based on the information given by the intelligence communities around the world, it was the right choice to deal with Iraq especially when Saddom said he would give his WMD to terrorist like AL Queda. It had to be done based on information in 2002.

It was the right choice. But the information was wrong and we late found out that the CIA was guessing more than they had information. Thus honestly the CIA needed to have the house cleaned which did not happen. There needed to be huge amounts of pink slips and reassignments which did not happen. Just the Director was fired. That was a screw up.

But to have anyone today say that the war was planned and that there was enough information not to go to war is an out right liar or a foolish person. When Obama says that based on the information given back in 2001 and 2002 it was not the right decision then he is obviously not a person with good judgement. But an idiot beyond the pale.

Then you have other screw ups that compounded the other bad adivse and we have Iraq as it is today. The problem is not who was wrong or right in 2001 or 2002. Hind sight is for morons.

The question is how to fix what is happening today this minute in Iraq so that America is safe and that it brings both victory as well as our troops home.

Right now, no candidate has addressed this in this manner. Clinton and Obama want the US to surrender and to lose in Iraq. McCain wants to win but has not real policy on how that should happen.

Thus why I have said that this presidency is a presidency of horrors for the next 4 years. Nothing good will come from the next president except more burden and as destroyed ecconomy.

That is the truth.

Insurgency happens after the fall of any government. Its just a matter of how long and if it gets defeated. If insurgency is not defeated like in most african countries, they become rebels and eventually cause changes in governments and civil or sectarian wars or violence.

Thus Iraq can go one of two ways. One into caos or on a long road to stability.

If you want another example that is more connected to the middle east. Look to Israel. Since 1947, and since partician in 1948 and its later becoming a country has had continuous insurgency by the PLO. It has spawned a total of 7 mini wars with countless other military operations to deal with insurgency.

Iraq is not like germany or like Israel. But it gives a good indicator of the types of paths that insurgencies can take in accordance to how governments are formed and deal with its populations.

I have even been wounded in the service of my Country!

How dare you even suggest that I do not know what its like to be on the front lines!

How dare you suggest that I do not know how lonely it can be when you are far from the ones you love.

But I also know what is at stake. I would rather fight the enemy who wants to kill my children over there rather than give them a free pass to come to main street USA to have a free shot at killing my little girl!

Its really that simple in the full scope of what is at stake.

Its people like you that do not even try to care or even understand what the enemy's final goals are.

You are being blinded by corrupt politicians who want a gimmick to get voted back into office.

Answer this! How long did it take for the Allies to stop all violence by the SS insurgency after WWII?

Something to consider next time you think that its taking too long in Iraq.

In case you are unwilling to look up the answer, 4 and a 1/2 years.

That was 4 years for the main war and 4 1/2 years to stop the insurgency where the allies were not being politically correct nor stopping to think about Cilivians being harmed. More civilians died by the allies than the actual insurgents. That is a pure fact.

Blame not our government. You should instead blame those who can serve in the Military but do not yet complain about the service our military provides. Blame the fact that we need a larger standing Army but the Democrats want no standing army at all.

Those are truths you can take to heart next time you miss your father.

The truth sadly is that Iraq is a front on Terror. Not just any front but the main front.

Not because America made it that way but because Al Queda made it that way. Osama Bin Laden said that Jihad begins with Iraq and that Al Queda would prove that America is a paper tiger.

The sad truth is that Al Queda came damn close to achieving a victory last year. These are the guys who are pointing the guns and missles and will one day have Weapons of mass destruction if they are not contained.

Because Al Queda and other extremist groups have placed their reputation and causes on the war in Iraq, other Middle of the road Muslim and Islamic countries which have cheered both sides are watching to see who will be victorious.

A victory in Iraq could end the current war on Terror. Its really that important and really that much is at stake.

To lose in Iraq by pulling out and allowing the extremist to have a victory through default would increase the war on terror and would cause several other marginal islamic states and places like North Korea to take an extremist position and they would have a basis of fact.

America can not fight an extended war and has no staying power to protect itself.

The truth about the war is that America is playing by a set of rules that it has never played before. The extreme high morals during war which is in itself immoral.

What I mean by this is that WWII or Korea or even Vietnam which was the last major war by the US we did not take into account the civilians of the enemy. We bombed the innocent as well as the miliary in past wars.

Now America tries to fight a so called clean war. Thus it takes much longer to root out the enemy because we are not leveling whole towns anymore or killing whole towns both the enemy combatants along with the civilians like in wars past.

But the truth is that America is a war with an enemy who wants to destroy America. The problem is that the average person on the street does not think that his life and way of life is in danger.

Oh how much America has forgotten 9/11 and how many more of this type of attacks would become common place if we lose in Iraq.

So the war in Iraq has become that important. It was not orignally that way, but Al Queda made it that way.

So that is why Iraq is that imporatant.

Also think about this, All the time your father was in Iraq and the gains made, would you be more angery if it was all for not?

No matter when in history you want to look its always the left or the most liberal people and those representatives in government that have absolutely no regard for the safety or future of our great Country!

It was the extreme left that tried to prevent the US from entering WWI and the extreme left even made progress to make America neutral for WWII. Even after Peal Harbor, it was the extreme left who tried to paint the US Military and leadership as the bumbling bafoons. I took that from the Washington Post from January 1942.

With each passing generation, the extreme left in this country has moved to make our country less safe and less able to defend ourselves with each new problem which faces each generation.

It was WWII and Korea for the grandfather generation. It was Vietnam for the father's generation and now we are looking at the war on Terrorism with this generation.

But its always the liberals masked as Democrats who destroy the safety of America. Even So, its the Democrats who know what the domestic problems are even though they have no desire to really fix the problems.

The Republicans are basically over the years, pro military and are always having to rebuild and beef up the military to face the new challenges of the generation. The republicans are normally out of touch with domestic problems but do what is necessary to keep America safe from the evils of the World.

Its always been the idiot Democrats with their dumb and dumber attitudes to secure the safety of America that leds America into War.

Look back as far back as you want. But it is the Democrats and their idiocies on military matters and national Security that led to all Wars in the 20th century and the current war on Terrorism!

Although people seem to think that the war on Terrorism started with GW Bush it did not. It started with Clinton with the three bombings by the known Terrorists under his watch! It was Clinton who made Osma Bin Laden want to strike America by the policies that Clinton put into place.

Bush simply came into office with an undeclared war on his hands that peaked into an all out war on Sept 11.

So here we are some 7 years from Sept 11. Iraq is the front lines on Terrorism no matter how much the Democrats wants to deny it.

The problem in Iraq is a two fold problem. Democrats make it near impossible for our Troops to win and the Republicans and their general incompetience on most matters is the other problem.

So how does one look at Iraq under these pictures? Personally, you have Democrats who wants America to lose and wants all 140,000 American troops to be over run and destroyed! That would make the Democrats happier than a bunny in a field of carrots.

The Republicans on the other hand wants Victory at all cost but does not understand what that really means. Thus they remain lost and incompetent to complete the task of victory in a manner that could have been.

America honestly had a window of opportunity after the fall of Bagdad to make the country united and safe. But forgot the past. It takes more than winning on the battlefield to win in the modern world. Thus they allowed the population to get out of control and allowed the population to loot and do great crimes while sitting by and watching.

Although the Republicans are generally on the right track, it will take 10 times longer to achieve victory and Victory can be achieved for several reasons.

1. For the first time since the Fall of Bagdad the majority of the people is with America.

2. The government of Iraq is making progress and finally learned an important tool of any deomocracy. The compromise!

3. The extremist and Terrorists and the little milicias are being defeated in greater numbers right now than they can replace their numbers.

This last one is one the Democrats hate to admit and will lie, cheat, and kill if necessary to prevent this from being known. They would point out the total numbers of terrorists over the 7 years rather than talk about gains over 1 year.

The truth in Iraq is that the enemies are being destroyed and countered to the point that their numbers are shrinking much faster than they can recruit. The recruits are now mostly made of insurgents and in several cases impressed youths who showed up to a prayers and suddenly is pressed into fighting as far as replacements are concerned. This has been reported but you never get to hear it on CNN or any other news organizations because the news organizations are pro liberalist and want America casterated when it comes to military might and national security.

The truth is that America is much safer with a president whom the world fears and respects. Through this America gets peace and with peace comes a level of ecconimic growth.

I personally do not like parties. Parties do nothing except to harm the common person in America. Career Policitans only care about money and power and would be most happy to throw the common person under the bus for a measure of more wealth or power or both wealth and power.

But concerning this election, I will vote for the president who is best at national security and whom the world most fears. Although people can elect a moron who makes pretty speeches or makes promises that are impossible for a president to try to keep, in the end thats all they will get is pretty speeches and broken promises. Democrats are never known to improve the country in times of War but often make it worse.

Republicans are not that much better but they are the better party when it comes to national security but suck when it comes to domestic policies.

A libertarian is nothing more than a disgruntled Democratic politican or in the Case of Ron Paul a Liberian hiding in the ranks of Republicans for more exposure.

Its really time for a new 3rd party which will take the best of both and unite the country rather than see more divisions. America has not been this divided since the Civil War. And Honestly, its nearly about the same issues which started the civil war! Unfortunately, there is no one whom fits the 3rd party bill.Shocker but slavery was not even one of the top 5 issues that touched off the civil war. It became an issue 2 years into the war but was not an issue at the start. Nope it was ecconomic issues of proctectionism along with issues of general representation to the congress. There was even a national security issue at that time.

The representation had to do with states and how they generally would vote. It was much more than slavery verse non slavery. North had industry and the south was farming and ranching or the raw materials.

Today, we have simular issues. Florida and Michigan were denied their rights to representation simular to the issues of Kansas and Missouri which sparked the Border wars even before the civil war began.

Then you had ecconimic issue of jobs, and trade treaties which at that time benefited some way more than others.

Thus America is seeing a repeat in history. But Iraq is just one of many issues that honestly is being made more of a problem than it should be because you have one group who wants our troops to be killed and produce a failure and the other who wants victory but screws up how that is to be achieved.

Its just sickening to allow moronic career politicians to ruin this great country!

I for one think that anyone who wants our troops to fail and even works to make our troops fail is a traitor! Representative Nancy Pelosi is a true traitor to America if there ever was one to be named. She openly works to cause our troops to fail which as a result causes troop deaths by her and those who follow her who want to see more Deaths of our troops because it would achieve their victory of proof of failure in Iraq.

Thus traitors should be treated like all traitors of times past in times of war. They all faced penalty of death. Thus Nancy Pelosi and her followers should be treated in like manner for trying to kill our troops for political reasons.

To say we are not succeeding in Iraq is clear ignorance or a politicians agenda speaking above reality. Last year we did not have hunreds of thousands of Iraqi troops participting in the fight against insurgents. We now have another fact to base our succes on, Al Sadr. An enemy calls for a cease fire for one of two reasons, the first is they want to negotaite a surender, the second is, they are beaten so bad they need to regroup. The sad truth is, becuase we are there for freindly and peaceful reasons, we honor the lattr reason hoping that we have beaten the insurgents down to an eventual surender, but, the reality is, they are simply regrouping. It is during these times though, that Iraq and our military are also regrouping and accomplishing the inevitable, a free and democratic Iraq, that is if they are allowed. The Dems have been fighting the success of this war since 2004 for their own political agendas. That is sick. To put your personal gain above humanity. From postponing the military budget, adding unnecessary earmarks in the proposals, arguing every success with negativity and ofcourse questioning our most honorable Generals integrity. It is a pityful thing to understand where this country truly is from a citizens poin of view when looking in to the politicians actions. Our forfatherswould be very sad to see not the honest debate they intended, but the blatant dishonesty and selfish behavior of our cuntry "civil Servants". Point of fact, it took Germany and Japan 10 years or more to rebuild after World War II and they did not have insurgents and a neighboring country trying to prevent it.