Real whiners
Posted 12 weeks 3 days ago byIt's absolutely amazing to me why people complain about a book,TV program,radio program,movie,or play.When all they have to do is close the book,turn the channel,turn the knob or just leave,it's that simple,if you don't like it leave it alone.But to many people try to have their dislikes above all,and want what ever is bothering them removed so everyone else can't read,watch,or listen.
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Submitted on July 23rd, 2008 by John 2000that it can be almost impossible to black/white define the lines and that justice will never be fully perfect and equal. I have no idea exactly where I would try to draw an age line, for example. I am not talking about every nuanced example that might come before justice.
If society lacks the will to commit to eliminating this growing class/business of predation on the youngest and most innocent, however, then it will have earned its fate. The crimes, if adequately PROVEN in a court of law, require the most stringent and swiftest punishments available. And personally, I do not care to pay for the endless incarceration and eternal appeals and early releases for these monsters.
John
Submitted on July 23rd, 2008 by PabloYour right it getting out of control.
The new laws that are supposed to deal with this issue is not helping but making it worse.
The problem is that there is a fine line between acknowledgement of youthful beauty and what is considered sexual deviancy.
What is the difference between a man who likes to see beauty and one who is charged with pedophilia? Chances are nothing.
How can anyone tell a 14 to 16 year old from say an 18 year old? Most of the time you can not! I have a friend of my family who is 27 years old. She is 5'0" and looks like she is 13 years old. It drives her up the wall all the time when people assume she is underaged. I tell her she should not sweat it because when she turns 40 she will be more than greatful!
Her daughter on the other hand looks like she is 22 but is 15. People often confuse who is the mother and who is the daughter.
The problem is not the pictures being seen as far as I am concerned. Its something I would never do however, it can be no worse than what you can buy legally. The title Teen Power in an add I once saw says it all. The girls on the add looked like they were 12 years old but were over 18 according to the ad.
So where is the line? If I can not find it and I am most likely the first person to be on the battle line for children, then where is the real line?
As I see it, make the stuff legal like it was in the older days and let the police keep the list of who buys it. If you know who buys it, then its easy to watch what those people are up to.
But that is my position. Its one where I see it as having a proactive approach to knowing who has a deviant streak and if the police know of a person who has such a streak could notify local authorities to put them on a watch list like they used to. That old list was called the Candyman list. It was so named because they caught a pedophile who had raped three kids by tracking him from the list based on locality of the rapes. This guy used candy to lure the kids.
So the list worked and worked fine for 20 something years it was used. Then came Adam. You know the kid of the Guy of Most Wanted. Then suddenly you had a shift the law. All this shift in the law did was drive the people underground until they get caught. And most who get caught are not really pedophiles but youngsters themselves.
Example is a 16 year old boy had sex with his 14 year old girl friend. Boy was charged with pedophilia because the girl sent the boyfriend several pictures of her naked along with charging the boy with child rape.
Is that realistic? No its not. A true pedophile is a older person who has an attraction to children for sexual reasons but I am refering to much older age spans here.
The law does not prosecute equally either. Homosexual kids of the same ages are ignored while hetrosexuals are thrown into prison for as long as 60 years. How would anyone who was 16 like to suddenly be faced with 60 years in prison. Yet in the same neighborhood a 15 year old boy basically rapes a 12 year old boy and its considered sexual awakening?
Makes no sense. Either the law has to work for all or none.
People who
Submitted on July 21st, 2008 by John 2000violate sexually
cause great bodily harm
steal (kidnap) for evil purposes
sell for monetary gain
or otherwise grievously abuse
others - especially the very young
should be summarily executed
and disposed of.
these crimes are very much on the rise and will continue to increase unless society will rise up and put a huge damper on it. The time is now. The evil is running freely.
janmb
Submitted on July 21st, 2008 by PabloYour got it.
Children should be of the highest priority and should be protected.
However, that protection should not go so far out of balance to cause problems for the children in the future or cause the loss of fundamental rights of the citizen.
Your right that in times past children could play in their yard or go to the park without the parents having to worry about this or that.
These new laws that have been put in place to protect children have actually back fired and made the children less safe and more likely to be murdered in the end.
There was always people both men and women who were pedophiles. In England, the term bugger referred to pedophiles as far back as 1182. Back then all pedophiles were gay. As Women were married at very young ages. Basically when their menses happened. Some it happened very early, others it happened late. Thus go to any museum in Europe and you will see children married off as young as 10!
But I would rather know who all the perverts are in this world than be left wondering how the hell no one found out about the person after they hurt the kid.
The kid in New England would have been saved and would not have died if the laws were not as they are today. Those guys would have been caught long before they got that far and they would have been watched and identified and the police would have known exactly what they were up to.
Prior to 1982, it was rare to find a pedophile child murderer. The numbers have increased not decreased since 1982. To me that means that the law is harming children more than it is preventing crime.
I would rather have my child alive than dead. I would also would like the police to know who are the deviants! Today, police have no clue and are now recovering dead bodies rather than actually protecting children.
That may sound out of balance, but then I know the loss as my wife's second cousin was the mother of one of the two kids killed in Oklahoma last month.
I look at it in a better light because I see protection of children as a proactive approach by knowing who are the preditors. If you know who are the preditors, then its much easier than having no clue and having to suspect everyone!
John 2000
Submitted on July 21st, 2008 by PabloNext to last paragraph....
The works of Marquis De Sade. People in Alabama, Virgina and Mississippi have put people in jail for owning this book.
The chapter of Justine with the artwork is what gets people charged with a crime. All because Justine was a 13 year old who turned 14 and had incest with her father. Then it gets into what they do to the mother which is discusting and not worth talking about here especially on mutilation.
Florida was also one state, but the new court ruling about porngraphy may have changed this. The court in Florida ruled rightly that what is sold legally to the public should not be illegal to any individual.
It is logical. After all, you do not throw an alcoholic in prison for just buying a beer. You put them into prison if they get drunk and then break the law. After all, getting drunk is not a crime. Being drunk in public is a crime no matter if your on the sidewalk walking or behind the wheel of a car.
Pornography is not the problem. Thus its not a crime to be aroused sexually. But should a person go out and rape is.
Another is owning a gun does not make a person a criminal or a murderer. But if a person takes that gun to do a crime then its a crime.
But you should not throw people into jail or deny people the right to own a gun if they have not done anything or have not broken any laws.
ALL ABOUT THE CHILDREN -----
Submitted on July 21st, 2008 by janmbIts all about the children---really. That's what I'm getting from all this chatter.
Gone are the days when children had to please the adults anyway. We now cater to them and have to please them instead and why they are often turning out to be so belligerant and rebellous.
Some feel our programming must go back to the days of the Beaver-Cleavers because even Sponge-Bob is gay.
Pablo?
Submitted on July 21st, 2008 by John 2000what books are people being put in jail for reading? This sure is news to me.
True and False
Submitted on July 21st, 2008 by PabloAlthough its true that the society in general here in America is becoming so intolerant that nothing that does not fit their definition is pure game and people do get up in arms to change laws or policy.
Everyone including myself is guilty of this. All anyone need do is read some of my posts with Skye on a specific topic to see plainly displayed this idea.
Its false to assume that everyone now days can live and let live.
You have people right here in America who are being put into jail for doing what? reading a book that others thought was objectionable!
I thought that the first admendment was to prevent that? Personally, America has too many laws which are now micromanaging the lives of the citizens as far as what they can do, see, read, write or what ever.
A good example some of which I am strongly on one side of the fence is Pornography. Although I do not like it, can not stand it, and think its an abomination, I think its one of those things which if people are not careful we will see the old Nazi system of burn the books and hang the thinkers of society if its taken to the extreme in censorship.
After all, Playboy or any other of the Trillions of dollars that the pornography industry produces does not make people go out and rape or do other acts. Its been proven time and again. I accept that fact. I hate the immorality of it and its decay on the children because childern have access to it.
So why are people being thrown into jail every week for reading a book by an author which I had to read in college for a class would now in parts of this country get me 1 year in jail for reading it or owning a copy of it which I still do? I never sold back my books in college and kept them all. It was the smartest thing I ever did in college because I have found that working in the real world sometimes you run into things which you did come across in school. But like any common human, we do not have perfect memory. Thus its easier to refer back to those books and the notes of those classes to reach a solution in a timely manner. Its one of those reasons which allowed me to do well and get where I am. I built a business then sold it. I am now working on retirement within the next few years. The rise in cost of living changes my idea of when.
But, the point is that a book which I had to have in college could get me a year in jail, have to be registered as a sex offender because I read it and owned a copy of the book in certain parts of the country!
Its madness what is happening in the US today.
You have people who are minorities pushing for laws to inconvient the majority or take away rights of the majority.
I understand that there are certain books and topics which are of a concern. How to build a bomb or how to murder manual is highly suspect.
But like somethings in this country, I do not think that people should be denied the right to possess it or buy it in the written form. Its ok to regulate how a person can buy it, but it should not be denied.
If a person murders someone, then they should be punished. But to pass laws which assumes that anyone who owned a copy of a book or article is somehow some kind of criminal is beyond the pail.
Why? Its a slippery slope problem. What if someone who hates christianity pushes to have the bible banned because it contains extreme sexual references to incest, rape and prostitution. That then spins off to outlaw the quran because it promotes pedophilia. It then spins off to outlaw Taoism because it promotes sexuality between any two people regardless of age or gender.
If laws are passed to outlaw written works which contain anything one person may dislike, it can be used to outlaw other works which may be main stream and a core item.
Thus outlawing something that some people may think is pornographic could in the end outlaw the bible, the quran or other religious books.
Thus intolerance in America is reaching the extreme end. People no longer just ignore or walk away or do all the other things which was just fine and was not a problem until today.
Pornography was the first mass produced item in Europe and in the Americas by mail order from 1863 to today! It was never a problem to society until about 25 years ago.
It used to be that if people wanted to buy something extremely objectionable and something that society really hated and would hang a person they had to verify their age and give a specific address to get it.
I am refering to pedophilia magazines specifically the case of the lolita Company. Prior to the law issued in 1982, the police had an easy time finding the pervert because they had the list of who bought the magazines. In fact, in many states, the police knew who was buying the magazines and they were put into a data base. The company was located in New York and in Europe. Both localities published in several languages. New York State police had a copy of the mailing list and who bought from the magazine.
Although I agree that this topic is horrid and that its a crime which I support, but what about the pictures which were done in say 1880, 1900, 1930, 1940, 1950, 1960, or 1980? Those pictures were done prior to the laws preventing use of children in Adult situations.
Yet, I think its by far better to know who are attracted to children rather than wait until the child was attacked then try to find the suspects.
Like I said prior to 1982, some 24 states had a data base on who these people were and all 50 states could get access to the data base held in New York or other agencies like the FBI. These people were never charged but were being watched and in some cases, were targeted to see if their interest went beyond the viewing of the objectionable material.
So I see nothing wrong with sales of items made before the law just that nothing can be made today or after 1982!
All these laws have done is move the company to Japan where it is the main company which produces Idol videos of children in various forms of undress and sales of Loliconica where the children are engaged in sexual acts. No one now knows who purchases these items in America unless the postal service or Customs just happens to stumble across it.
But the point is that intolerance even to this extreme objectionable area which I think those who engage in this should be hanged from the highest tree, could spiral out of control and put me in jail for just owning a book like the bible much less the one I bought for a class in college.
That book by the way is the works of the Marquis De Sade. It was required reading in socialogy philosophy class under the topic of sexual deviancy.
America whines about their intolerances while forcing intolerance to others. Where will it stop since no one is immune!
YES
Submitted on July 20th, 2008 by AnonymousYou were complaining and I suggest you learn to read your own god like blogs,all I said Charlie is leave it alone,don't watch,don't read,don't listen,MOST of all don't blog about your impositions,and get over your self I wasn't referring to you at all or Charlie your name would have been up front and on top.
I gather your
Submitted on July 20th, 2008 by charlesbaronrefering to my last blog in your current one. Nowhere did I say any film should be removed or other people be deprived of seeing it. I was merely offering a critique of the cinematic climate in this country. Perhaps I should have extended that critique to include reading comprehension.