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Topic of the Day: Media doesn't like cake?

Posted 14 weeks 1 day ago by rom12921

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_YELLOWCAKE_MISSION?SITE=NHPOR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Joe Wilson must have missed the party, no cake.

Haven't hear this story on morning news shows either. Maybe Ike has apoint.

 

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Thoughts

Bush's former Speechwriter,

Submitted on July 9th, 2008 by John 2000

and then Senior Policy Advisor, Michael Gerson, came up with that mushroom cloud image, as well as a number of other well crafted images.

"Now a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations" ... surprise, surprise.

"Mr. Gerson was a fan of Jimmy Carter, but he broke ranks over abortion. Still, he believes that Democrats could win back religious folks some day. "There was a time in American history not too long ago where the most prominent evangelical was also the leading Democrat in the country. [William Jennings Bryan] didn't see any inconsistency in those things and I don't, to some extent.""

Why are intellectuals (or those that esteem themselves to be) usually the most confused and dangerous beings on earth?

Surely, Obama or McCain will have their own share of Gershens to lead them astray.

Here is a somewhat neutral story on Gershin: from 2006
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/...

It's amazing where one can lead on empty suit. Right, Obama?

Does anybody remember “

Submitted on July 9th, 2008 by MathMan

Does anybody remember “ ... we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."?

That was a key part of the justification for invading Iraq. It was not based on poor intelligence, nor on poor judgment. The yellowcake being discussed was well known and was not being used in any nuclear program.

Justify

Submitted on July 9th, 2008 by rom12921

In my opinion it does not justify invading Iraq. However, it gives some credibility to the WMD potential assertions.

It is completely justifiable to criticize Bush Administration officals for the lapse of judgement and dogmatic certainty based on sketchy intelligence reports.

"Bush lied, people died" is, with this evidence, unjustifiable. Making false accusations slandering the President, profitting from an unpopular President and death of U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians... really bugs me.

If it were only so simple as that, Jan

Submitted on July 9th, 2008 by John 2000

then it would really be a done deal by now. But, it really is not, despite all the reports, investigations, facts, innuendos, movies, and partisan politicking. I have spent all day digging around in so many accounts mostly centered on the 'yellowcake'. Every path leads to inconclusive uncertainties unless you are already committed to believe one view or the other.

George Tenet often seems to come up as the weakest link in all the trails, mostly because he is the one who could have put a stop to the allegations of attempts to buy yellowcake by the Hussein regime. But he might also have been just a fall guy or a guy who was vulnerable to being compromised. It is a shame that he was not replaced sooner than he was.

So, I went digging back with a little broader scope in search of something that could tie things together in a different sort of way. Let me start by saying that I have been very unpleased with the way that McCain and Lieberman are so incredibly joined at the hip. As a rather moderate independent who has shunned the democratic party for many years now, it simply always gives me the willies to see the two of them so kissy kissy. But I came across a most interesting article from an interesting source that almost makes a good deal of sense to me. See what you think:

FROM: Executive Intelligence Review Feb 22, 1001
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/29...

If it is too ludicrous, what makes it so?

ALL WRONG

Submitted on July 8th, 2008 by janmb

The Yellowcake story is one example. It has been fully discredited, and the forged memo had so many errors in it, an amateur could figure out it was a fake.
Yet the VP and Fox were telling people Sadam was making a bomb.

The business about the President going on TV and saying those two trailers were moving labs to make WMD is another example. We sent technical experts to see what they were, and thay said the use was to fill hydrogen weather balloons. However, the truth was classified. The president even went out and claimed it was the WMD smoking gun, when it was know to be wrong. Again, the likes of FOX and some people still talk about it.

Fox and the administration are willing to have all kinds of false information out there, if it convinces some if it's base that the war is justified, or going well.

Dull yellowcake

Submitted on July 8th, 2008 by MathMan

So the question is: How much does does the fact that there was definitely yellowcake in Iraq justify our invitation?

In this case there is no relation. The uranium yellowcake being transferred to Canada was known by everybody to be in Iraq by 1991.

drat

Submitted on July 8th, 2008 by John 2000

I had commented to this earlier but the comments are not showing now. Could you check, Ike?

One of the things in my comment earlier was a link to this interesting article from July 2006 on (yellowcake, plame, wilson, etc). I found some of the statements in the article to be VERY remarkable.

http://www.slate.com/id/2146475/

As the WMD issue has always lay at the foundation of the anti-war / hollywood attacks on Bushco, I doubt if many want to spend more effort in this battle which they smugly have claimed as their big psychological warfare victory. I don't expect to be hearing much of it (the Canadian purchases).

In regard to some troops coming home sooner rather than later, it will not surprise me in the least now that 'insurgent' groups in the North have been so totally routed. In fact, I expect it. There will be further redeployments in the Afghan theater to compensate.

Additional info..

Submitted on July 8th, 2008 by rom12921

Another headline regarding Iraq requesting timetable for US troop removal ...very interesting. Would be nice if the Bush Administration would bring home some troops immediately as a symbol of cooperation with the Iraqi government.

I like yellow cake.

Rom that's a good find -- I

Submitted on July 8th, 2008 by ikewolf

Rom that's a good find -- I hadn't seen the article myself. I confess that I don't follow national security or WMDs terribly closely, but this is something that hasn't been on my radar.

So the question is: How much does does the fact that there was definitely yellowcake in Iraq justify our invation?