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The British Empire and the French Empire but, John, it was the begining of the two new " Empires " the US and the USSR.

With countless example of proxy wars( between the US and the USSR) from the 50's up to the 80's in Afghanistan.

The turning point was the Suez canal affair in 1956. A joint venture of France, England and Israel to protect the Suez canal against an hostile take over from Egypt. We were told to back off...by the US and the USSR and we did.

Skye, you are the coolest. Straight to the point.

in Viet Nam was more or less at the ending point of global colonialism by various European nations following the disastrous consequences of two world wars from which two major assertive communist entities grew progressively strong. The collapse of the British Empire of course has had to this day more widespread impact particularly in the region of most concern today.

The US would have been happy to achieve a relative success like Korea in drawing a line to stop the communist flow. For a lot of reasons, a lot of which are what KoolMom asserts, the goal was abandoned and the cost could not be justified. The main military lesson was that it is almost impossible to 'win' in a condition as a cultural outsider in mountainous jungle terrain where you can't tell the difference between friend and foe where the foe is very determined in a patriotic sense.

Iraq bears some similarities, of course. I just don't think it is burdened with the same end result, though it is always a possibility. Perhaps a relative success is very acceptable. I do think it is extremely wrong for those, especially within the US, and more especially those who were pounding the drums in the media and the legislatures even while Clinton was late in his 2nd term, even before 9/11, for the danger of Saddam and WMD alarm, to totally undermine every step of the way for purely political reasons the effort that was undertaken. These people are never taken to account. They are clever and nefarious traitors for this. Was it really justified? Politically, now, perhaps to them it was. On another level I boil it down to a simple 'they fail at life'. I am far, far more accepting and respecting of those who oppose war/violence on authentic and unwavering moral principles.

Well just cry me a river. Communism won in veitnam cause those people did not want democracy. Just like people of Iraq don't want American's telling them how to live an who to sell their oil to. here is a fact for you to chew on over 4000 people died on 9-11 not all were americans. thats right some were from other countries. Estimated Iraq death tols are 60,000 to 120,000 DEAD. how many more must die to quench your thirst for BLOOD.

a cocaroacha? You can't... just like Terrorist... they just keep breeding.. so in lieu of that, what would be the answer in stopping terrorism. YOU CAN'T. THIS HAS been going on for centuries. It is so out of hand now, that there is just no stopping these people and for anyone to think our dear President had good intentions on this war against terror, you are just ignorant. Seriously ignorant. The question is not whether or not I believe it, the answer is HELL NO>>>

Skye,
Sorry but just because you do not want to believe it- it may be true.
I am not singing President Bush's praises but after all the investigations on this subject the truth is not known. Remember that it was not just President Bush who concluded to go to war but congress voted for the war also.
The information to go to war with Iraq and the advise given to go to war with Iraq was wrong or was it that he did not listen to his advisers.

Maybe I do give it a benefit of a doubt but it is not clear who is telling the truth-The C.I.A.(who are so trustworthy-NOT) or our President.

It is very clear that we did not go to war for the oil-like you said-because we are now paying though the nose for oil and it is not Iraq's oil we are getting.

"...her son has been there twice,again thanks to George Bush" Well there are at least two things wrong with this assumed cause and effect.

First, if Dottie son did not voluntarily sign up, he wouldn't be deployed. Did George Bush force him to volunteer?

Second, the vote for the use of force in Iraq to enforce US sanctions was nearly unanimous by the U.S. Senate (unanimously wrong in my opinion). Fact is President Bush acted accordingly.

I agree with "BRING OUR SON'S AND DAUHTER'S HOME NOW!!!!" ,but based on logic cannot solely blame or exonerate the President.

John's link-From the article:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1...

"The worst thing that can happen to a president is to fall in with advisers who tell him only what he wants to hear, a danger that can be averted with the right organizational structure."

I believe this is what happened in the Iraq war. I also believe that President Bush did not want to hear this but his advisers thought he did.

I believe that another worst thing that can happen to a president is to not listen to their advisers!

I disagree with you Reeddarrell. It was the American people that defeated us in that war.They know they can defeat us by turning the public against the military.

Plus-If we given them air support, the S. Vietnamese probably could have maintained independence without ground support.We ran with our tail between our legs!

Koolmom I have to disagree with you on this one,cause been there,done that.there was no winning that war without invading North Vietnam,and our government leaders at the time(NIXON) were afraid as they were in the Korean war,that communist china ,or the USSR would get involved to a greater degree than they were already(sending in troops).YES America protested because most people could see the stale mate.Plus these Vietnamese had been fighting for a thousand years,to rid their country of invaders of one sort or another.IKE is the one that made a deal to support the south,only because no one could see the french losing to HO Che Min.So to save face we sent in a few advisors,well we all know what happened after.As for Iraq there was no war,or is there a war,this was a U.S. lead que to oust sadam hussein,by George Bush,an now it's a referee job where they get to kill our son's and daughter's.My room mate Dottie,her son has been there twice,again thanks to George Bush.As a veteran of Vietnam I'm pretty sure Iearned a right to protest the war then,and non war now.BRING OUR SON'S AND DAUHTER'S HOME NOW!!!!.GO MARINE'S.