War Crimes, Frat Boys and Chickens Coming Home to Roost
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McClatchy Washington Bureau General who probed Abu Ghraib says Bush officials committed war crimes Warren P. Strobel | McClatchy Newspapers
last updated: June 18, 2008 08:34:09 PM
WASHINGTON — The Army general who led the investigation into prisoner abuse at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison accused the Bush administration Wednesday of committing "war crimes" and called for those responsible to be held to account.
The remarks by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who's now retired, came in a new report that found that U.S. personnel tortured and abused detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, using beatings, electrical shocks, sexual humiliation and other cruel practices.
"After years of disclosures by government investigations, media accounts and reports from human rights organizations, there is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes," Taguba wrote. "The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."
Taguba, whose 2004 investigation documented chilling abuses at Abu Ghraib, is thought to be the most senior official to have accused the administration of war crimes. "The commander in chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture," he wrote.
A White House spokeswoman, Kate Starr, had no comment."
You know, this is beyond serious. One can easily imagine Cheney and Bush lusting over videos of tortured "terrorists" in the actual White House.
This goes all the way to the top. Ever since the Abu Ghraib photos came out, i have been convinced that these were posed for an audience. The only question was "Who was the Audience?"
MP's are cops. Taking pictures of abuse is something even the dumbest cop might eventually think was a stupid idea, especially after Rodney King and a dozen other similar incidents.
Taking those pictures, torturing those prisoners, was so arrogant that the average West Virgina enlistee would never have done this without ass-cover. Think of what cops do when pissed. They beat people. Crude but understandable.
This sadistic weird abuse with the dog leashes and the menstrual blood and the phony electrical shock was just a little too fancy and a little too ignorant to be the work of a working cop or GI.
Rush Limbaugh was right. It's just like a fraternity initiation.
A Frat Initiation that draws blood.
Just clean fun, if you have no concern for the subjects, who are a bunch of lower-class jerks anyway.
I will say again. It would have been far better to politely kill these subjects out of hand that to waste all this time, corrupt the military, and ruin our image over the world. For what?
For nothing but shits and giggles. This was one sick policy.
I grew up listening to WWII war stories, and i know there was a lot of ugly "Take no prisoners" stuff that never got into the history books. Crude but effective. But torture was something the Nazis did.
So then. And as the real generals, the real soldiers, the real conservatives have time to reflect, they will probably decide what is the American thing to do.
Thoughts
Paul did speak about the religious right
Submitted on June 23rd, 2008 by Bull MooseWhen Paul said "the Devil himself will appear as an Angel of Light", he had the Republican Bible prostitutes down pat.
and bull
Submitted on June 23rd, 2008 by John 2000is one of the best examples of spiritual growth to be found ... a real role model for us poor illiterates.
As if it matters
Submitted on June 23rd, 2008 by Bull MooseYou come across as a naive,sheltered, hysterical brainwashed Catholic.
As most illiterates such as you can not comprehend, respect your elders means to respect your "spiritual" elders. Those who no longer need milk, but are ready for meat.
Age in human understanding means nothing, if that person has not under gone a spiritual growth, as your postings indicate you have not.
Keep worshipping those idols and rosaries,fine temples and other silly idolatry God could give a damn about.
But to answer your silly question, i was born during Eisenhower's 1st term.
Bull Moose
Submitted on June 22nd, 2008 by koolmom21Bull Moose,
Could you please tell me -how old are you. Do not take offence I am just wondering.
You come across as a very young person but I may be wrong.
Definition of neo
Submitted on June 22nd, 2008 by Bull MooseNow pay attention, especially you paranoid delusionals who think God can not take care of Himself.
Neo simple means "new".
But watch out, there might be a gay person under your bed, good gracious me. God is not feeling well lately and needs His phony followers to fight His battles untill He gets better.
Poor deluded psychopaths, can't enjoy life unless the young,dumb and full of cum are dying to keep your house of cards standing,(for the time being).
And to think the returning Vets are being treated despicably by the billionaires who sent them to get maimed. Not to mention the strain on their families burdened with their care, God knows the VA could care less.
Only Insanity!
Submitted on June 20th, 2008 by HamiltonCan describe such irrational and uncontrollable hate based on delusion and myth. It would actually be funny if not so very sad. The self righteous vanity of pretend superiority is typical of elitist radical fear mongering liberals.
Just for clarity; neo-con could never be used to describe Bush/Chaney, at least not if used correctly. I doubt Bush or Chaney has ever been a liberal, therefore calling them neo-cons is…well…just stupid.
The term neoconservative was originally used as a criticism against liberals who had "moved to the right".[3][4] Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the usage of neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy.[5] According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about."[1
B. Hamilton Langrehr:
The Hamilton Post: www.thehamiltonpost.blogspot.com
World Court only hope to indict Bush/Cheney
Submitted on June 20th, 2008 by Bull MooseHopefully the two war mongering murderers in my opinion, will be tried in the World Court.
Only a fool or idiot believes a word Bush/Cheney and their war profitting cronies say.
The Bushies are a religious cult who are creating a self fullfilling prophecy in the Middle East.
The phony Christians play to the "evangelical" nutcases who think the end is here. Yes, with these two clowns in office they might be right.
Murder,mayhem,using our young troops as fodder for their war mongering Halliburton and Blackwater friends is really Christain of them.
Hope to see Bush and the more evil Cheney in prison some day for their crimes.
save my children.
Submitted on June 20th, 2008 by koolmom21You know, this is beyond serious. One can easily imagine Cheney and Bush lusting over videos of tortured "terrorists" in the actual White House.
Are you for real???
No one likes war and no one likes to torture anyone BUT if someone told me they had a plan to kill my children -I would do want ever it took to get them to tell me so I could save my children.
You may not like it but it is obvious that it must work. No new attacks!!!
ALL FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR.
What do you suggest we do? Let them kill our children because we do not want to hurt them?????
Wake up-we are talking about people who want us dead and who will cut your head off if given half a chance.
Gee, Mr. charlesbaron, after
Submitted on June 20th, 2008 by wishnevskyGee, Mr. charlesbaron, after rereading your post, i notice "stick it up your arse," and references to torture pix as not being "any worse than a hard-core porno movie, which I believe is protected under the Constitution."
This indicates a certain sexual orientation, you know what i mean?
But one's view of rape as fun kinda depends on who's on top, don't it?
Wow! Two fantasies from the
Submitted on June 20th, 2008 by wishnevskyWow! Two fantasies from the usual subjects. Do you guys have jobs?
Two non fantasy facts. There is this place outside of the Red States called the World. They have these things called laws and courts. They have the right to arrest any person, including ex heads of state for war crimes and crimes against humanity. This is the Pinochet Precedent.
Second fact. As people of conscience, people who love what this country used to be, realize how badly they were lied to, used, abused and made complicit to major crimes, they will take steps to salve their consciences by writing books and giving testimony to Congress and other interested parties. To not do so is to remain in a conspiracy. That is a felony
The first one of these that comes to mind was Richard A Clarke, and the most recent is of course Scott McClellan. There have been many more, especially in the military, including Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba.
All the interested parties say authorization of torture went "right to the top."
It looks like there is a plan to let Rumsfeld take the fall, but the Big Rummy and Darth Cheney have been joined at the hip since the Ford Administration.
So what is Bush going to do? Cop a Reagan and claim he was out of the loop?
Tell it to the judge.
Why?
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by HamiltonDo you hate America so much? Have you ever lived outside this great country? You really are quite pathetic.
B. Hamilton Langrehr:
The Hamilton Post: www.thehamiltonpost.blogspot.com
I think
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by John 2000you jump to a lot of fantasy conclusions on this one, Wish. Could it not be just as likely, if not more likely, that Abu Babu was set up for anti-War consumption to inflame the passions ... ?