Topic of the Day: Winning the White House -- with a minority of the vote?
Posted 22 weeks 6 hours ago byHow damaging would it be to America if another presidential candidate took the White House with a minority of the vote?
Politico suggests the distinct possibility of a something similar to what happened in 2000: Obama captures a larger share of the popular vote but McCain collects more electoral college votes.
Would this shake your faith in our electoral process? What should be done?













Thoughts
yep
Submitted on June 21st, 2008 by John 2000I admit texas is as crazy as it could possibly in this regard. I was amazed reading about it before, curing, and after the Texas Primary/Caucus. Fortunately, it is a lot less strange in the national finals.
California has more than its share of weirdly drawn and manipulated districts, which I am sure is a very widespread symptom ... usually based on ethnic and socio-economic bases. It's funny that the same people who cry about it are often the same people that utilize it - dependent mostly on recent results.
John 2000
Submitted on June 20th, 2008 by PabloNever said it was perfect. However, it would be way better to have it that way then the current system.
Here in Texas, the way the voting is done is just plain madness. Currently the democrats are in charge in Texas as to where the Precincts are located.
Its been redrawn and redrawn again after each election where one party tries to eliminate the base of the other party.
I vote in a precint that makes absolutely no sense. I vote with people in Big Spring, San Angelo and Abiline. The problem is That I live closer to Amarillo than San Angelo.
Yet, a friend of mine who lives 87 miles to my south is in the El Paso presint and is only 72 miles from Midland Odessa Yet is 276 miles from El Paso.
These drawn lines make no sense what so ever unless you are looking not at proper representation but at party voting results.
It used to be that your representative came from your region. Now that may not be the case. What is important to the Permian Basin is nothing like what is important to the Panhadle. One is based on an Oil economy the other Agricultural. Thus its no wonder there is not proper representation. Obama gets inner city voters where those people are afraid of their own shaddow.
Those people who are more self reliant do not vote for Obama because they see Obama as getting in the way of personal freedom. After all, How many people in say Dallas and Houston can walk out their backdoor and hunt game?
People in Houston and Dallas have absolutely no clue of the lifestyle outside the city. They think they know but they do not.
Thus we are seeing a direct reflection of these party line politics played out even to the point where a person can vote. My brother in law for example, has to drive 20 miles to vote. Yet he can not vote where he used to which is 2 miles down the road because of the way the lines were redrawn.
SHAKE MY FAITH...
Submitted on June 20th, 2008 by Skye RiversThis election has already shook me to the core of my belief system, or should I say what WAS left of my belief system and has validated that no matter what, THEY do what THEY want and put in office who THEY WANT REGARDLESS of any votes.
Bold prediction
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by Jim LakelyAll those liberals who whined endlessly about a "selected, not elected" president in 2000 will shut up ... until next time a Republican gets to the White House that way.
Pablo
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by John 2000with a system like that :
26 small populations states could trump 24 large population states ...
and
it would all depend on the order of states voting
that would be fun!!
Just a reminder
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by Anonymousthat America is not a democracy, but rather a republic. Proportional representation has always trumped the idealism of one man, one vote. Had this not been the case, our first twenty Presidents would have hailed from the state of Virginia.
Democrats should clean up their own primary system before resuming their blubbering over the electoral college. How does Hillary Clinton win the popular vote in Texas, yet receive less delegates?
In 2004, President Bush won the popular vote by over 3 million, but he only won the election by 50,000. Had Kerry squeezed out a victory in Ohio, Democrats would be singing a different tune about the electoral college.
I say look to visionaries like Paul Madison
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by PabloPaul Madison has said that there is no difference between the parties in general. Its just a matter of the slant of the corrupted politicians who are in their respective corners.
The electorial college was created because it was impossible for votes to be done in the late 1700s for a popular vote and ensure that those votes were not messed with. Thus the founding Fathers made the electorial college. It was done to prevent the votes of the people from being abused.
However, the founding fathers assumed that men would be honorable. As time passed and more corruption has had time to fester its near impossible to find a politician who is honorable.
Thus with the technology we have today, the electorial college is no longer needed. There have been 2 presidencies in the past where one candidate won the majority of the states and should have won. But lost when it came to the vote of the electorial college.
Because of the way our elections are done, it is possible for one candidate to get more popular vote but lose the election. That is not necessarily a bad thing.
Under the current system states are limited in their voice. This was to prevent a hand full of states Less than 10 from controling the country and its laws. Thus I see no reason to change this.
What I would like to see, is a popular vote for each state. The first to win 28 of the representative voting blocks wins the presidency. Or you can look at it as first one to 26 states with the other 5 blocks used as a tie breaker. Those 5 blocks are the non states which can vote. 2 of which are combined into regionals.
The problem is...
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by Hamiltonthe mainstream media dictated two party system. I believe it was John that pointed out in another post; the Democratic Party and the Republican Party don’t have a bit of difference between them other than placating rhetoric to mollify the fringe kooks on both sides. The Constitution has been abandoned and thirst for power is the driving force directing American politicians. Terms limits for Congress and a viable third or even fourth party is the only way to fix our compromised elected officials.
B. Hamilton Langrehr:
The Hamilton Post: www.thehamiltonpost.blogspot.com
The problem is...
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by Hamiltonthe mainstream media dictated two party system. I believe it was John that pointed out in another post; the Democratic Party and the Republican Party don’t have a bit of difference between them other than placating rhetoric to mollify the fringe kooks on both sides. The Constitution has been abandoned and thirst for power is the driving force directing American politicians. Terms limits for Congress and a viable third or even fourth party is the only way to fix our compromised elected officials.
B. Hamilton Langrehr:
The Hamilton Post: www.thehamiltonpost.blogspot.com
Time for More Change?
Submitted on June 19th, 2008 by John 2000Actually, what went on to insure the presumptive one the presumptive slot concerns me far more than the electoral college in the general election.
First of all, that is the constitutional design for presidential elections, and to change it legally would require a constitutional amendment which is no easy matter, I am happy to say.
On the other hand, it is not as though the constitution has not already been repeated raped. Why not just toss it out entirely. FEMA? Personal Income Tax? Determination of VP? Many others.
I believe the case for abandoning the electoral college has been debated many many times over the years.
I do think that practices such as gerrymandering and winner-take-all states should definitely be addressed first, along with a lot of other practices.
I like the idea of some state powers being retained; as it provides a sort of built-in check against utter and complete Federal level control. Why even bother campaigning in states at all? Just run the freaking charade from some media-conglomerate headquarters in NY or DC and have everybody vote on a single day. Glory Hallelujah! (oops, separation of church and state).
Somebody also fix the primary rules first. The last I checked, maybe HRC took the primary popular vote. Politico is worried, eh? Or projecting yet another crisis? As if there aren't enough. What if McCain took the popular and Obama the electoral? Is somebody just concerned about rioting or what not if Mr Obama were to suffer the same sort of result as Gore?
Cripes.