Topic of the day: If Sen. Obama wants to win he will pick Sen. Clinton as VP.
Posted 13 weeks 3 days ago bySenator Obama has the nomination; but let's face it , Senator Clinton had 50% of the Democrats' votes.
In order to make sure some of the votes, in question, do not go to Senator McCain ( some polls indicates that up to 30% of Hillary's electorate could defect to McCain) she needs to be on the ticket.
Some Obama's supporters are very much against the idea.In my opinion, if he picks someone else it would be a huge, and potentially catastrophic, blunder. Sen. Obama needs Sen. Clinton for the older demographic, the blue collars and a large percentage of the women's vote.
The Dems are divided right now between the two camps, the only way to speed up the healing process is to have both of them on the ticket.
Senator Obama will need a consumate Washington insider, like Senator Clinton, to navigate the dark waters of Politics. Sen.Clinton is tough and would make a great " enforcer " for Sen. Obama. Senator McCain is focusing his attacks on Sen. Obama's " lack of experience ". Having Sen. Clinton on his side would make this type of attacks less effective, after all she did spend 8 years in the White House and was one of Bill Clinton's key advisers.
Senator Clinton indicated that she would like the VP position. If Senator Obama turns her down, it would be a very bad mistake and would likely translate into Sen.McCain...... in the White House on 1/20/2009.
Note: I am a French filmmaker/photojournalist based in the US since 1983. To view my main photo/editorial web site got to : http://www.digitalrailroad.net/Mercier
Thoughts
Well sure Skye
Submitted on June 6th, 2008 by John 2000I'm just saying that she is also a smart, pragmatic person who might recognize the peril of being on the same ticket with such a fat set of liabilities and so much time left to find more if they are not already waiting. She would still be a powerful democratic figure.
John
Submitted on June 6th, 2008 by Skye Riverswhy would she consider it... because she is a Democrat LOL
and then some more reasons for hillary not to
Submitted on June 6th, 2008 by John 2000“I’m saddened by today’s verdict,” Obama said Wednesday. “This isn’t the Tony Rezko I knew, but now he has been convicted by a jury on multiple charges that once again shine a spotlight on the need for reform. I encourage the General Assembly to take whatever steps are necessary to prevent these kinds of abuses in the future.”
http://patterico.com/2008/06/04/rezko-co...
From a comment in a different blog:
"How long before he’s claiming “This isnt the Michelle Obama I knew.”?"
Cute little vid here from "War of the Roses"
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/06/bar...
Galloway/Hamas/Hezbollah/Obama
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/05/ano...
This is not the Galloway, I knew.
Reds who support Obama:
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/...
"This is perhaps the most breathtakingly naive statement of all, implying as it does that it is actually U.S. policy that motivates Iran rather than Iran's own perceived ambitions and interests. That would be news to the mullahs in Tehran, not to mention the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah."
from: Obama the Naive:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-o...
Even Hillary is less shameless than Nancy
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2008/0...
Lastly for now is the mysterious Hatem El Hady (briefly)
http://fromtheduke.blogspot.com/2008/04/...
I simply can't imagine why Hillary would even consider VP on a ticket with Obama, if she ever wants to be president. Can you?
Thanks for the great link.
Submitted on June 6th, 2008 by MercyphotographyDear John,
Great source of information for everyone on the site that has an inclination ( like you & I) for History.
Best.
about 17% (6) went onward where the president did not die
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by John 2000I will concede the Cheney/Bush thing to you even without being all that well versed in the full specifics. I was talking in general, and of course there have been some exceptions:
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"Most of our former vice presidents have brought to that office significant public service experience, including as members of Congress or state governors. Some came to their role as president of the Senate already familiar with the body, having served as U.S. senators. Several vice presidents later returned to serve again in the Senate, among them former President Andrew Johnson. Two vice presidents, George Clinton and John C. Calhoun, held the office under two different presidents.
Of the fourteen vice presidents who fulfilled their ambition by achieving the presidency, eight succeeded to the office on the death of a president, and four of these were later elected president. Two vice presidents, Hannibal Hamlin and Henry Wallace, were dropped from the ticket after their first term, only to see their successors become president months after taking office, when the assassination of Abraham Lincoln made Andrew Johnson president and the death of Franklin D. Roosevelt raised Harry Truman to the presidency. Similarly, when Spiro Agnew resigned, he was replaced under the Twenty-fifth Amendment by Gerald R. Ford, who became president when Richard M. Nixon resigned less than a year later.
The vice-presidency was generally held by men of mature years, with most of them in their fifties or sixties when they took office. The youngest, John C. Breckinridge of Kentucky, was thirty-six at the beginning of his term. At seventy-two, Alben Barkley, another Kentuckian, was the oldest when his term began."
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So under 30% of VPs (14) went on to become president and about 17% (6) went onward in cases where the president did not die in office. It seems to me that her chances could likely be higher waiting for 2012 or 2016, which might be beyond her range of 1st term interest. If she were on this year's ticket and it failed, would she be more or less likely to win in 2012. Of course, nobody knows.
I have found a nice location for the VP and it's history that you might enjoy looking through. It's where the quoted lines above came from, and there is quite a bit more details.
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/hist...
Later..
Hillary's supporters
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by kevinkind30% of Hillary's primary supporters have intended to vote for McCain all along. They were never going to vote for her in the general. They knew she was the most beatable, defeatable, rider of crocodiles.
VP is an insignificant job?
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by MercyphotographyCome on John, how about the power of Dick Cheney?
In the last 8 years, we had more or less a co-presidency.
Here's An Idea
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by Skye RiversI still don't see it happening. I agree with John. I think Hillary should continue her work in the Senate, maybe go for the Governor of NY, or wait until 2012 and run again against McCain ;)
As connected as the Clintons are ...
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by John 2000Hillary might know that it really is too risky to take her chances with Obama ... if she knows some things then it is likely that others do also. Just look at the McClellan thing the other day. I think it would be personally wise for her probably to go back to the Senate and continue to work hard there. Everybody is assuming she really wants VP when all she has said is that she might consider it. VP is usually a pretty insignificant and low spotlight job. I think Obama should prove he can sink or swim on his own.
Heres the DEAL...
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by Skye RiversIF Obama offers Clinton the ticket, he would have Bill breathing down his neck questioning his policies and telling him how to run things... I think there lies some of the problem. I do agree with one of the bottom posts that he should offer her the ticket to insure a Democratic win. Hillary has 50% of the Democratic votes. Many women are very upset and will vote on an emotional level and not an educated one which will mean they will lean towards McCain out of spite and ignorance. The only way around this, IF Hillary convinces her supporters to vote Obama regardless if she is offered the ticket or not. This is a tough one.
not a believer in black theology.
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by koolmom21Sen. Clinton does not fit into Sen. Obama's agenda. She is not a believer in black theology.
Why not?
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by koolmom21I agree with Hamilton that a dream ticket would be Sen. McCain and Sen. Clinton. They both vote more to the middle of their party and neither one of them are extremist.
I agree with Mercy.......
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by AnonymousIt seems counter-intuitive to choose a VP other than Hillary Clinton. She has the other half of the democrat electorate by the way. If he dosen't, he will allienate Hillary supporters adding more injury. Perhaps his "search committee" is a way to say I'm in control of this process giving him some time to show he selected her.
Have you noticed the commentators on TV chatting about how Hillary would be the wrong choice. I wonder what party they are from. Here we go again?
Arlene
Not crossing line, creating new party!
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by KonstantinUSA election nature and process, as it was for about Century is totally corrupted!
First plagio-who knows who was defeited by right wing nazi boiler rooms, theafs and froad in Florida, electing Bush.
Legit Republican party is finished!
Second, Total nowbody, using Jamaika and alike global froad and plagio-lying by pseudo-left advisors tricks and controlled by them media, including that he is African American, while he is descandent of families of Muslim Arab Terrorists, as they say, and pseudo-Caucasian part Babilonian Neanderthals, becaming Democratic nominy.
Legit Democratic party is finished!
Family of Obama is not unlike those that since 1954-56 planing and perpetrated genocide from Hungary and Georgia throught Checks, Afganistan, and Georgian province of Abkhazia, in fact they all are like brotheren...
Third, to resurect democracy and election, you would have to rebuild both parties and respect the elections.
One of the best way is for somebody to restore healthy third party, maybe McCain-Clinton to start such process, leaving corrupted republicans and democrats to their out-off wings, and later let such healthy party devide into two non-corrupted new-democrats and new-republicans...
One of even simpler way, let Justice Department investigate and arrest, if proven, the corrupted ones, before the general election...
Konstantin.
Bunch of yo-yos.
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by AnonymousThe presidency is now a cross between a popularity contest and a high school debate, with an encyclopedia of cliches the first prize.
McCain/Clinton
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by John 2000That would be Maverick off the charts :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-RI6BAPe...
WHAT HAPPENED TO CLINTON-LOYALTY ?
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by janmbI see that Bill Clinton once the DARLING of the democratic party in spite of his sexcapades is now being thrown to the dogs.
This is loyalty for YA.
I suppose the Clintons were supposed to just take all the insults and even obsenities thrown at the former First Lady.
The silence was DEAFENING from the democratic party members--by the hundreds who she campaigned and made money for---and especially Gov DEAN ---no one defended her from attacks.
No one DARED offend Obama---Al Sharpton would have started riots.
I find it FUNNY that the late nite hosts will target Hillary but they avoid Obama like they might be struck down by lightning to joke about the newer GOD.
McCain crossing party lines?
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by MathManRemember that John McCain was offered the vice presidential nomination by John Kerry and turned it down? Why would he cross party lines for a Clinton? He almost certainly would be part of the White House team had he taken that offer.
Why not McCain-Clinton and new non-froad party?
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by KonstantinWhy not create a third main party?
Republican "right" is Florida froad,
Democratic pseudo-left and Jamaika
Is froad by telephone and lying bold.
McCain-Clinton are not froad Vanka.
With such new McCain-Hillary party
They are clean, like the Saint Martin.
Konstantin.
Hillary would divorce Bill
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by John 2000Hillary would divorce Bill as part of the deal.
I've been thinking
Submitted on June 5th, 2008 by kevinkindI've been thinking the exact same thing , Hamilton. I believe a McCain, Clinton, ticket just might have a chance.
But then who would protect Cindy from Bill?
Time out
Submitted on June 4th, 2008 by John 2000I was doing a little digging to get a better understanding of the office of Vice President through American history, when I started looking at the 12th Amendment. I have been unable to find any subsequent amendments to modify the election process for Vice President. The 12th amendment states :
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AMENDMENT XII
Passed by Congress December 9, 1803. Ratified June 15, 1804.
Note: A portion of Article II, section 1 of the Constitution was superseded by the 12th amendment.
The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate; -- the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. [And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. --]* The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.
*Superseded by section 3 of the 20th amendment.
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I see nowhere that President/Vice-President COMBO is constitutionally a legal entity for election requirements. Section 3 of the 20th amendment only says:
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Section 3.
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
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It's not that I expect much in the country to really be constitutional anymore, but what am I missing here? If the parties determine their tickets as package deals beforehand and it never goes through any kind of separation of electors preferential vote to determine a President (or candidate) as distinct from a Vice President (or other candidate) .... ?
Wouldn't Hillary be the mandated VP candidate for the party, especially since it cannot be split on general election day?
I think,
Submitted on June 4th, 2008 by HamiltonSenator McCain will offer Senator Clinton the VP spot to show the country and the world how terribly serious he is about reuniting this country. It will be the ultimate bi-partisan political gesture, reminiscent of the final episode of The West Wing. What do you guys think?