Ethics, Morality, Responsiblity and God
Posted 7 weeks 3 days ago byTired of this roundy round. A pharmacist is a public official, like a doctor, a pilot or a surveyor. He or she has to complete schooling, pass a test and take an oath. Here is the oath.
"At this time, I vow to devote my professional life to the service of all humankind through the profession of pharmacy.
I will consider the welfare of humanity and relief of human suffering my primary concerns.
I will apply my knowledge, experience, and skills to the best of my ability to assure optimal drug therapy outcomes for the patients I serve.
I will keep abreast of developments and maintain professional competency in my profession of pharmacy. I will maintain the highest principles of moral, ethical and legal conduct.
I will embrace and advocate change in the profession of pharmacy that improves patient care.
I take these vows voluntarily with the full realization of the responsibility with which I am entrusted by the public."
Notice it makes no reference to "God" but it does mention responsibility, and "moral, ethical and legal conduct."
Legal. A prescription is a legal document, as binding as a contract or a survey. You may not realize it but land surveys are the actual basis for all other property law. Property law is the basis for civilization. This is why lowly surveyors have to take oaths.
Similarly, a pharmacist's oath is one of the basis' of the medical system. The pharmacist has a legal obligation, a moral obligation, and an ethical obligation to fulfill the doctor's orders in a timely and correct manner. He cannot refuse a prescription, and if the patient suffers harm from mis-filling or refusing to fill the valid prescription of a licensed doctor, it is his liability.
The same as if he knowingly filled an invalid prescription. If a patient dies because he read 300mg, when the doctor wrote 30mg, he can go to jail. If he refuses to fill a prescription, because the patient is black or female or an illegal immigrant or because Jesus told him not to, he is liable to criminal action.
If he refused to fill a prescription for Birth Control and the patient became pregnant, he would be liable. He could get Jesus to pay the damages, but i don't know where he would cash the check.
And i want to know why some churches are so eager to have a constant supply of under educated, poor children in the world. Is it because they fear the defeat of their doctrines in an educated world?














Thoughts
collection plates and condoms
Submitted on May 13th, 2008 by rom12921Are you suggesting banning condoms was/ is to create more Catholics to fill the collection plates?
As far as i know, only
Submitted on May 13th, 2008 by wishnevskyAs far as i know, only monotheists are so hung up on sex.. I should exempt the Eastern Rite Christians who allow priests to marry, i suppose.
I wonder what the psychological basis of this is? Is it that god is the patriarch and all the women, all the sex belongs to him?
"All your poontang is belong to Us."
And to be fair, as screwed up as the Christians get, the Muslims are orders of magnitude more oppressive to women.
And sure as hell, somebody will post that Polygamy liberates women, just watch.
Banning condoms is the Catholics church's most laughable act
Submitted on May 13th, 2008 by Bull MooseCatholics used twisted logic in their misunderstanding of scripture.They really just want to increase the ranks of Catholics, but they use gobbly gook to hide that fact.
When the hundreds of years of war following the Protestant Reformation petered out(pun intended),other denominations came up with myriad reasons for couples not to enjoy their sex life.
Funny how Irish pharmacies sold opium,cigars,and other drugs,er medicines,thoughout the 1800's and into the early 20th century, but frowned on condoms. Can we say hypocrisy boys and girls?
I think this comes under
Submitted on May 13th, 2008 by wishnevskyI think this comes under "render unto Caesar" which i always interpreted as "If you believe, leave the world" But most people think means "pay your taxes."
trivial pursuit
Submitted on May 13th, 2008 by rom12921Regardless of belief systems, there are important psychological benefits to most religion.
First, the belief in God/supernatural force/being is a big relief to the human mind. God is in control, Kharma, leave it to fate, Allah, etc. Belief is relief and comfort in most faiths.
Second, people want to belong to something larger than themselves. Mercy said this well "seek a connection with something outside the triviality of their existence". Speculating that this phenomenon is what would drive people to make decisions like a the pharmacist question. In other words, I am part of the kingdom, order, whatever and therefore above the duties of my job. In the pharmacists mind it is about priorities.
good thought-provoking comments Mercy
yin and yang, as long as
Submitted on May 13th, 2008 by wishnevskyyin and yang, as long as there is a search for truth and human responsibility. Dogmatic assertions of privilege and hate are not all that helpful, at least in my view.
However dogma and hate are great money making tactics
I have always been
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by John 2000I have always been particularly fond of the works of de Chardin for expressing eloquently the essense of my own core beliefs. For example:
QUOTATIONS
Teilhard de Chardin
The PHENOMENON of MAN
Chapter III: The Ultimate Earth
C. The Conjunction of Science and Religion
To outward appearance, the modern world was born of an anti-religious movement; man becoming self-sufficient and reason supplanting belief. Our generation and the two that have preceded it have heard little but talk of the conflict between science and faith ; indeed it seemed at one moment a foregone conclusion that the former was destined to take the place of the latter.
But, as the tension is prolonged, the conflict visibly seems to need to be resolved in terms of an entirely different form of equilibrium ---not in elimination, nor duality, but in synthesis.»
p. 285 .« Religion and science are the two conjugated faces or phases of one and the same complete act of knowledge ---the only one which can embrace the past and future of evolution so as to contemplate, measure and fulfil them.
In the mutual reinforcement of these two still opposed powers, in the conjunction of reason and mysticism, the human spirit is destined, by the very nature of its development, to find the uttermost degree of its penetration with the maximum of its vital force.
Religion is the opium of the masses.
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by MercyphotographyIs an old saying of Karl Marx. Well, I would say yes & no....for some reason human beings seem to seek a connection with something outside the triviality of their existence.
Good blog, thanks.
Yep. The point needs to be
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by wishnevskyYep. The point needs to be made that society has obligations, and that this society does not require belief in god for citizens to function correctly.
And BTW, the bible lists "moving boundary stones" as a cause for the death penalty, one of surprisingly few capital crimes in the OT. There are none in the Four gospels, i think.
The foundation of society is actually boundary stones.
I have a suspicion that many of the "abominations" in the OT are actually strikes against competing religions. I mean homosexuality, wearing cloth of mixed fibers, eating shellfish, etc. These are different from the Ten Commandments, but many people think that if they keep the lesser, they can ignore the greater.
And Jesus gave one commandment, the one most often broken, especially by some preachers, sad to say. .
I shant deny the possibility
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by John 2000... of my having had encounters both within and without the state you mention. Nor can I say that I can to this day firmly disavow my personal experiences therefrom ... most of which lay many years in the past. I can fully appreciate your 'agnostic with gnostic leaning' self-assessment.
I guess I could not see the springboard for your current blog, as it came across as out-of-the-blue. Only after I read your blog as a comment from a different blog was I able to say to myself -- "oh, that's it".
Regarding pharmacists, I was unaware that they had a specific 'Hippocratic Oath' of sorts. I have always viewed them as a 'caste' employed and licensed to handle substances in strict accordance with doctor's 'prescriptions' and to do so with regulated definitions. I agree that under that understanding that they should NOT be following any personal moral dictate in their dispensations. If they have a problem, it should be taken up with the doctor and/or regulating agency.
I am aware that much dispensation does go on outside of my rather narrow ideal. There are many bad doctors as well as many bad pharmacists operating on the edge of the law and totally outside of the law. Most of these situations have nothing whatsoever to do with 'religion'. Some do.
This is a blog. People make
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by wishnevskyThis is a blog. People make comments. They should try to be polite. God is god? Is not that what Muslims say?
I do not speak for god, god does not speak to me. We both like it like that, apparently.
You are right!
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by HamiltonI should have left it at pointless.
So is there a point?
Is it; you think you're smart?
This is fun, don't you think?
I missed the attack.
God is God, do you really think your opinion changes reality?
I'm sure mine doesn't.
God loves you regardless.
A hard core rationalist,
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by wishnevskyA hard core rationalist, would say that belief in the unprovable is not a symptom of sanity. I do not hold that position, but i thought i would mention it.
You know, Arthur C. Clarke suggested that malnutrition was the basis of prophecy, to the extent that fasting in the desert for 40 days could induce hallucination.
Personally i prefer LSD for my visions, or did, long ago. Easier on the body.
And just for the record, i am an agnostic, with gnostic leanings, not an atheist. My primary quibble is that no person can comprehend god, for any meaningful value of god.
Insanity is not ...
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by John 2000partial to religious vs non-religious constituencies.
Here we go with the ad
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by wishnevskyHere we go with the ad hominem attacks.. That didn't take long. A religion or cult that prides itself on defying logic and reason is naturally opposed to people who do value reason and logic. You may research "The Age of Reason" which produced Jefferson, Voltaire and Franklin.
If your position was valid, then surveyors would not need instruments, doctors would not need X-rays and Pharmacists would not need to read labels.
There are systems that use such criteria, Christian Science, Voodoo and Faith Healers come to mind. They have a pretty bad cure rate, as witness this from the AP.
" MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Two children and their mother lived for about two months with the decaying body of a 90-year-old woman on the toilet of their home's only bathroom, on the advice of a religious "superior" who claimed the corpse would come back to life, authorities said Friday.
The children - a 15-year-old girl and a 12-year-old boy - cried hysterically Wednesday after a deputy who came to their Necedah home looking for Magdeline Alvina Middlesworth ordered them out because of the stench from her body.
The children were in foster care Friday. Their mother, Tammy Lewis, and self-described "bishop" Alan Bushey remained in custody on felony counts of being a party to causing mental harm to a child."
Oh, and if that is the worst thing you ever read, you are not very well read, are you?
Education?
Submitted on May 12th, 2008 by HamiltonWhy would level of education effect spiritual and actual acceptance of God. This might very well be the most pointless and badly veiled ant-religious rant I’ve ever read. Is here a point; other than you don’t like God or those stupid people who do?