Feds: Waterboarding is torture ... when drug dealers do it
Posted 8 weeks 2 days ago byGot a taste for irony? How about this bad boy?
Members of a violent gang from Queens that allegedly stole millions of dollars worth of cocaine from drug dealers are facing criminal charges in federal court that include kidnapping and torture, officials said yesterday.
Law enforcement agents began to investigate the gang in 2006 and discovered that the group of police impersonators were kidnapping their victims and then using death threats and various forms of torture, including simulated drowning, to find out the location of drug stashes and proceeds, according to court documents.
Again: The feds are bringing charges for waterboarding.
Let it sink in.
Here's the only rationalization I can figure: When good guys do bad things, it's OK. And we're the good guys. So waterboarding is OK. But bad guys doing bad things is not OK. And drug dealers are the bad guys.
Here's the thing: How do we know the drug dealers are the bad guys? Well, there's the drug dealing, of course. But there's also the waterboarding.
You've got to admire the Justice Department. There's a lot of chutzpah involved in bringing these charges.
Thoughts
Waterboarding is to torture
Submitted on May 15th, 2008 by John 2000as American democracy is to reason
Senator Obama.
Submitted on May 8th, 2008 by HamiltonWhen President Obama does it, it will be courageous.
Waterboarding used to extract information
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by AnonymousMy premise is that human life should be terminated if a jury has been provided sufficient evidence of guilt and the crime itself was perpitrated in cold blood.What does that have to bo with waterboarding?Waterboarding shold only be used to extract information that would without doubt save a human beings life.
Jim come Lakely
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by rom12921I'm not. short answer- No.
Re: Logic
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by JoelSo: If the government does it, it's not wrong?
nullcronicles
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by rom12921What about the alcoholic telling you not to drink as they are dying from liver failure?
What about the estranged husband or wife that doesn't get to see their children grow up do top their mistakes?
Do as I say, not as I do can be good advice.
The article offers an invalid comparison regarding waterboarding. You cannot temporarily imprison someone, search their house, etc if you suspect them of a crime
By your logic...
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by Chuck_Johnsonwhen the government forces me to pay taxes it's entrapment.
Nice try, Joel.
Chuck Johnson is a student at Claremont McKenna College. Feel free to contact him.
Waterboarding attracts
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by John 2000Waterboarding attracts sharks! Beware! Protect the public. Stop all waterboarding now!
Do as I say, Not as I do.
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by nullcronDo as I say, Not as I do.
Our Federal Government is brought to you today by hypocrisy.
Re: Logic
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by Jim LakelyWe can go round and round on this all day...
The federal government says killing someone in an "official" capacity and (yes) for a greater public good is not murder.
Yet we prosecute citizens for killing people.
So, again, I'm having trouble with your logic claiming that there's more chutzpah involved with one and not the other.
Manufacturing Irony
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by rom12921No irony ...makes sense. There are many things law enforcement or military can do under the law that ordinary citizens can't.
Rationalize something else, your argument doesn't hold water(boarding)
Re: Logic
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by JoelBut Jim: The Bush Administration says that waterboarding isn't torture.
But we're prosecuting waterboarding as torture.
I'm having trouble with that logic.
Jim and beer
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by Jim LakelyOh, I didn't miss it, my friend. If there's ever been a topic in my wheelhouse on this site, that's it.
Stay tuned ...
Ok, take out Waco
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by Jim LakelyIt is the official policy of federal agents to shoot anyone who poses a threat and ask questions later. If a fatal shooting was a mistake? Oh, well. Too bad for that guy.
I know you oppose the death penalty and waterboarding, Joel. I just think this is not your strongest logical argument.
And, yes ... I can't resist the bait. Take it every time. Yummy!
Cheers! (burp!)
Jim
And what's more, Jim
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by JoelI'm shocked -- and more than a little disturbed -- that you're not weighing in on the beer controversy.
Re: Waterboarding and Waco
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by JoelI knew I was setting Lakely bait. : )
But Jim, I think you know how I feel about the death penalty.
As for Waco: Do you think those deaths were the result of bad judgment, or the result of an official government policy that we set fire to the compounds of gun-toting cults? If you think it's the second, then you're right: We have a real problem.
We don't accidentally waterboard anybody. It wasn't a momentary lapse. It was part of our war-fighting policy, which we defend to this day. But which we also prosecute when others do it.
So yes: Chutzpah.
Waterboarding and the Feds
Submitted on May 7th, 2008 by Jim LakelyBy this logic, Joel, it takes a lot of chutzpah for the feds to bring murder charges, since, you know, the feds kill people (see Waco, the death penalty, etc).
Let it sink in.