The flag lapel pin is the most important thing you can know about a presidential candidate
Posted 25 weeks 2 days ago byIn his online chat today, Howard Kurtz rebuts the idea that last week's Democratic debate on ABC was trivial beyond belief:
But I don't buy into the notion that the "real issues" weren't discussed. First, the second two-thirds of the debate dealt with Iraq, Israel, taxes, gun control and affirmative action, among other subjects. Second, the early inquisition on Jeremiah Wright and the "bitter" remarks -- and Hillary's nonexistent Bosnia sniper fire -- are subjects that dominated the campaign coverage for weeks, and help shed light on the elusive question of character. I absolutely could have done without the flag pin question, especially since ABC used a woman who had told the New York Times that she could not support Obama because he didn't wear a flag pin.
Now: I understand the argument made by Ben and others that the questions about the Weathermen and inflammatory pastors are important because they reveal the character of the person in office. What's more, I accept that these things are important to people.
But I've spent enough time in newspaper and television newsrooms to know this: The story you put above the fold, or at the beginning of your newscast, is the most important story of the day. And even if it's not the most important story of the day, it becomes the most important story because you're telling your audience it is.
So: By filling the first third of the debate with questions about lapel pins and Jeremiah Wright, ABC News was not merely acknowledging that these issues are important to some voters. They were effectively saying that flag lapel pins are the most important issues to focus on -- more than dealing with terrorism, civil liberties, the economy, health care or a host of other issues that will actually affect people's lives. And that's why ABC deserves every bit of criticism that it's getting.














Thoughts
Re: Re: Trivia
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by Jim LakelyJoel,
I will pull a typically gracious you on this thread and say we don't disagree as much as it seems. Nonetheless, I'll note my quibbles:
Didn't mean to suggest you were, just pointing out what I thought needed to be pointed out for the record — which, I hope, offered context to this discussion.
We agree!! These are legitimate issues to the voters. Obama handles it badly. Moving on ...
Exactly. And that's the trouble Republicans like me and Ben had when the Cult of Personality was in full swoon mode. It seems that many of his supporters thought were in thrall to his Cool Older Brother-ness.
I don't see the disconnect. There is a difference between being wary of a cult of personality and caring about the character of the president of the United States. To quickly accentuate the difference: Howard Stern has a great personality, but is not of high character.
There have been, what, 45 debates on the Dem side in this election cycle? Obama is about as clear (or vague) as he can be on the usual Dem talking points -- health care, Iraq, education, etc. I'll sacrifice one debate on his character.
Agreed. A stupidly worded question. I haven't, and won't, defend it.
Cheers!
Jim
Re: Trivia
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by JoelHi Jim:
Just to set the stage, I'll refer you back to the live blog we did the night of the Anderson Cooper debate:
Who wrote that? Oh yeah, me. I'm equal opportunity when it comes to bashing stupid questions from the media.
But to be a little clearer: This isn't -- for me, at least -- about the unfairness of putting candidates on the defensive: I'm all for it, even though it admittedly makes me squirm to watch Obama give poor performances during debates. I think I've already said, several times, that since these topics are issues for some voters, they are fair game.
However...
What the debates are about is this: Who will do a better job of being president? We're not electing a National Cool Older Brother: We're electing a head of government. There's a disconnect, I think, among Republicans and conservatives who have looked at Barack Obama and insisted very loudly that they don't want to elect a cult of personality figure -- and yet also insist very loudly that personality matters when the opponent has a few chinks in their armor. What's more, there's also a disconnect among Republicans who have (again) very loudly insisted that the public doesn't know enough about Obama's supposedly vague positions on the issues, yet praise the bypassing of such efforts to focus instead on the now-iconic lapel pins.
But this is politics, where people (left and right) have their cake and eat it every day.
Still, given that the debates are about (again) determining who would be the best head of government, it's ridiculous to spend not just a third of the debate, but the first third of the debate focusing on those lapel pins. The lapel pins are the priority, then.
The "are you better off" line put the candidates on the defensive, yes, but it was also about something. The question offered the candidates the opportunity to appraise the state of the economy, whether something should be done and what they'd try to do about it. It let people know what the potential next president would -- or wouldn't -- do about their lives.
"Do you think Jeremiah Wright loves this country as much as you do," meanwhile, doesn't even tell us anything about Obama's patriotism.
If the idea is to throw rocks at candidates and see how well they can dodge, well, then maybe this is your version of good debate moderation. If the idea is to figure out who we want leading us the next time Hurricane Katrina hits, well, it leaves a lot to be desired.
On flag lapel pins & true Patriotism.
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by MercyphotographyDear Jim,
The debate had very little substance and a lot of sound bites....oh well.
As far as Joel's topic here, I think NPR's Daniel Schorr talked about this in a very eloquent way.
Please go listen to Daniel Schorr@
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...
Regards.
Flag pins, Wright and other 'trivia'
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by Jim LakelyAt the risk of sounding argumentative -- you know that's not my style, Joel, ;-) ...
What journalists tend to start their news with is what's new. And, sad to say, the stuff George and Charlie spent the first third of the debate with had been kicking around the blogosphere for weeks. But it was "new" to a MSM that never pressed Obama on it.
And, sorry. But when you make a big show about not wearing an American flag on your lapel, then it suddenly appears (right after you take heat for belittling the flag-loving rubes of small-town America), that's bound to get attention (from a PA voter, by the way). And when your campaign is based on "unity," yet you refuse to cut your ties to a poisonously divisive character like Wright or a terrorist like Ayers, you need to answer questions about it.
And the questions that got the left so mad were no less loaded than what was standard-issue in the Republican debates.
For the record, here was Anderson Cooper's first question at the Jan. 30 GOP debate at the Reagan Library.
That's quite the loaded question that puts the candidates on the defensive right away.
Here's the second question from that debate by Janet Hook of the LA Times:
That question is not about the "issues," but about what you might call silly, thumb-sucking stuff like who's the most conservative Republican.
Next question, from Cooper:
Yeah. Lots of substance there, huh? The next question asked Romney, in light of his health care plan for Massachusetts, how he could still call himself an "authentic conservative." And who could forget the question from the Snowman on YouTube at one of the debates, or Chris Matthews' hard-left partisan and accusatory questioning in MSNBC's debates.
In light of all that, I just find it hilarious that lefties are ready to storm ABC with torches and pitchforks over a few relevant and long-ignored questions of Obama.
Re: Taking the measure of the man
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by JoelI think it's possible that I could concede the entire argument you make here Ben -- not that I am, but hang with me here -- and think that changes nothing about my argument.
After all, I'm not disputing that these issues are important to some voters, and for exactly the reasons you lay out. But I am disputing that these are the most important pieces of information to present to the public.
What's more, we're viewing the debate through the eyes of people who've been living and breathing this stuff; many Pennsylvania voters, though, might've just started paying attention in the last week or so -- and let's face it, that's pretty consistent with what we know of voter behavior. I don't think "well, we've already talked about the issues" is terribly useful when it comes to presidential debates.
Challenging and illuminating the narrative
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by BenThe Obama campaign was built on a simple, compelling idea: Change we can believe in. Obama has presented himself as an outsider (not an uncommon campaign tact), a post-partisan (in the mold of Schwarzenegger and Bloomberg) and, most important, a post-racial candidate.
But was the idea true? How much of the candidate is the man? Put another way, is Obama really change we can believe in.
Fact is, the vast majority of Americans know little about Obama. Although his books are bestsellers, only a fraction of the electorate has read them. But Obama's first book, Dreams of My Father, is a real eye-opener. Add Wright to the narrative, add Ayers to the narrative, add Michelle Obama to the narrative, and you begin to get a more three-dimensional picture of Barack Obama, beyond bromides and slogans about hope and change.
And that is important, Joel, because taking the measure of the man helps shed light on how he's likely to address the vital issues you raise.
Also, we've had a pretty extensive conversation about the issues in this election, and I expect we will hear lots more before November. Heck, I expect we'll hear more about those issues before the end of the week.