Stephanopoulos is rediscovering that there are "no enemies on the left"
Posted 20 weeks 16 hours ago byWhat, exactly, did George Stephanopoulos do at the Philadelphia debate last week that was so wrong? Was it that he and Charlie Gibson asked impertinent, "gotcha" questions at the expense of "the issues"? Or was it that he asked questions that made the Democratic candidates uncomfortable and possibly less appealing to voters?
The left-wing Nation on Friday posted an open-letter from "journalists" to Stephanopoulos and ABC about the conduct of the debate. Naturally, the source should be the give-away, but the neutral-sounding headline struck me as a bit disingenuous: "Journalists Slam ABC Debate Tactics." Oh, so the criticism spans the profession, does it? Only if your idea of intellectual and ideological diversity means you read The Nation for "red meat" and The American Prospect for a more conservative point of view. Fact is, the denunciations are coming almost exclusively from the leftward end of the political spectrum.
That's fine. Not surprising at all, really. The center of gravity in this campaign is on the left side. Democrats are still working out who their nominee will be and partisans are fighting hard for their preferred candidates. But, please, let's not confuse partisanship with the "public interest."
Wednesday's debate was interesting, insofar as Stephanopoulos and Gibson asked questions that forced Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to depart from their well-rehearsed answers. Do voters really need another 20-minute colloquy on which candidate's health care proposal includes more mandates? Obama and Clinton have had that conversation now on the air, in front of a live, national audience, at least three times.
The left-wing journalists give away the game in the second paragraph: "ABC seemed less interested in provoking serious discussion than in trying to generate cheap shot sound-bites for later rebroadcast. The questions asked by Mr. Stephanopoulos and Mr. Gibson were a disgrace, and the subsequent attempts to justify them by claiming that they reflect citizens' interest are an insult to the intelligence of those citizens and ABC's viewers. Many thousands of those viewers have already written to ABC to express their outrage."
Whose "cheap shot sound-bites"? The Republican "noise machine's"? Do the journalists and "media analysts" seriously dispute that Obama's associations with Jeremiah Wright and Tony Rezko, not to mention Bill Ayers, are fair game? (Question: What is the Woods Fund, on the board of which Obama and Ayers both sat? Discover the Networks has some background.) Do those relationships tell us anything about who Barack Obama is and the type of administration he would run? Of course they do. Trouble is, the answers do Obama little good with the electorate.
So Stephanopoulos, a former Democratic operative-turned-mainstream journalist, should have known better. "No enemies on the left" means ideological fellow-travellers don't question each other like that -- at least, not in public. Better to keep quiet and advance the cause of progress than feed "cheap shot sound-bites" to the forces of reaction.
I don't like "gotcha questions" either, by the way. But Wednesday's debate wasn't about catching Obama and Clinton in a gaffe. It was illuminating. And the ferocious reaction from the left continues to illuminate.














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Submitted on April 24th, 2008 by PabloIt has more to do with how Obama, Clinton or McCain react to certain issue along with who they say is the people they take advise from.
So when Obama says that Wright is his mentor not just spiritually but as a very good friend, then that is important. Why? Because what are the views of Wright who is able to give advise which Obama has said time and again developed his positions about society in general.
Then you have the others like Ayers pop up then you gotta know that this is not some isolated issue. It is a systemic one.
I like John 2000 think that Obama does not respect America and its troops because of the issues of the Flag pin and the disrespect in public concerning the national anthem.
The flag issue would not be an issue except that it was to show support for our troops. Thus why Obama was questioned about it.
As Commander and Chief of the military and leader of our country, Obama can not disrespect our military and can not disrespect the nation as a whole. To do so is to disrespect each and every American.
I could have given Obama a pass on just one of any of these issues and moved on. But there is a pattern of choices and behavior that just cannot be ignored anymore.
to add to Pablo's comment ...
Submitted on April 23rd, 2008 by John 2000Anybody who did not already know the essentials of those candidates views on the those key issues such as 'The Economy', 'The War', 'Health care', 'The Environment' must be comatose. Both candidates are gloom and doom across the board. They both seem to hurt their positions as much as help them when they wade into the details of their grand plans.
So far as Obama's lapel flag 'issue' goes, he is already well on record with his intellectual reasoning for his decision. So be it. I honestly do not scour to see if anyone is wearing a flag pin. I would expect that he could recite the National Anthem or the Lord's Prayer, if challenged.
I am sure everyone has seem the video of Obama standing at some event where the National Anthem was playing. His posture was slouched, his eyes downward, and his hands were clasped below his belt. I cannot tell you exactly what that said to me about him as a man to possibly be Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America. I will say that at a visceral level that it did inform me greatly when tossed into my personal calculus of assessment.
Re: gotta disagree
Submitted on April 23rd, 2008 by BenI am not arguing that Wright or Ayers should be decisive for or against Obama. But I disagree that that they "do not help us know anything about how the candidates will govern." They tell us something about the intellectual milieu in which Obama is most comfortable. I consider Wright and Ayers as character witnesses on his behalf. He cast his lot with them, and they with Obama. They add another dimension toward understanding what the candidate is about.
It isn't about flag lapel pins. But association counts for something.
gotta disagree
Submitted on April 22nd, 2008 by AnonymousI just cannot see Wright-gate, sniper-fire-gate, Ayers-on-a-board-with-someone-gate, etc., as more important to the nation than the economy, the war in Iraq, the environment, health care, etc. They do not help us know anything about how the candidates will govern and precious little about their characters as governors. Do you really think you know more about how Clinton or Obama would staff their cabinets (Or interact with them? Or develop policy? Or even generic things like handle adversity?) by knowing the answers to flag-lapel gate? I certainly don't have any more knowledge of the candidates' suitability to be Prez from these astounding revelations.
And the results of Pennsylvania basically indicate that no one there learned much they cared about either. PA was predicted to go for Clinton weeks and weeks ago and it went for Clinton. The only debate left was to argue about what the margin meant. But even that seems clearly explained by... wait for it... economic views, according to the polling data. So in the end, we spent time insulting candidates, getting great sound bites, stirring up controversy, and voters voted for the economy.
Character is always extremely important
Submitted on April 22nd, 2008 by PabloI look at the choices that the democrats have made. I had an open mind to all the candidates until a last week.
Obama lost me for good. I found his character lacking.
Its not just character but the choices he has made in connection to his now more visable character flaws.
Bush may have a generally good character but his choices have been poor because of who he has associated with.
Thus Bush has failed America not because of his character but because of the people he associated with and took advise from.
So when you have Obama with a lacking character and associating with Terrorist, Racist and other less desirables then I see a presidency of horrors should be get elected.
Not because of anything in General about Obama personally but because we as humans are defined by where we came from and whom we associate with.
Just as Drug dealers and criminals associate together and work for an evil intent. Its true in the political and yes the presidential arena that has shown brightly under the Clinton years and even more so under the Bush years.
Thus because Obama associates with Terrorist and racist and others who hate American and refuse to change their views, then Yea its extremely relevent and one which people should lose the general hatred of their fellow man.
Its time for America not to be divided. I listened to a lady on TV say I am a democrat thus I can never support any candidate for the Republican party. Its like water and oil and thus the two can never mix.
How sad! I could care less about which party a person belongs. Its more important to me if the guy I elect will improve my way of life or make it worse. Parties be damned.
Elect the best person for the job. Do not elect a person based on Race, religion, creed, ecconomic background, party affiliation or some personal supressed hatred for another whom had nothing to do with the former.
But tempor that person with whom they associates with because that is more telling what kind of a president they will be. So if that person accociates with Terrorists, Racists, Those who hate America openly then just what does that tell you about the upcoming presidency. It will become a presidency out of Hell not some disguised hope message.
obamapods ?
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by John 2000Well, I have been hearing the term 'obamabots' tossed around quite a bit in recent months.
But I think that at this point in the government takeover attempt (err ... campaign) that a term like 'obamapods' is perhaps more descriptive. Consider the way these creatures point and shriek at all media and ideas outside their, shall I say, biology.
I am wondering who to visualize in the Sutherland role. Any suggestions?
Re: Oak
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by JoelRom:
I take your point. My point was that, viewed in a certain light, George W. Bush has impeccable character. But he's been an awful, awful president. Which, to me, raises questions about the idea that character defines a good president.
Oak
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by rom12921A closely contested race will draw more of those type of questions. Joel, Bush is not running for office. A question or comment on McCain's connections/ embarassing friends would be more relevent.
Yes, sorry, that was me
Submitted on April 21st, 2008 by JoelHard to write a long comment on a blackberry. Sorry!
okay ...
Submitted on April 20th, 2008 by John 2000Look, I was somewhat stunned when I learned that Stephanopolos (sp?) was one of the 'debate' leaders. Gibson, I know little about. Yes, it did have the feel (from what I have seen of the whole show) of a somewhat slanted awkward assault. I would certainly expect a higher level, or at least a more subtle, professional, and balanced affair. In the end, it may have helped Obama more than it hurt him. Who will really ever know?
However, as you say, the premises behind the 'tough' questions remain valid and only continue to grow and fester.
And yes, the furious reaction from the left is as illuminating as it is expected. Obama is a veil behind a veil behind a veil in my opinion
Re: Gotcha questions
Submitted on April 20th, 2008 by Ben"Anonymous" in this case is Joel, who forgot to log in. But as he was commenting on his Blackberry, from a concert venue of some kind, we can forgive him.
I'll give you that one Wright question and add, "So what?" The question was so preposterously simple to answer that Obama could have dispensed with it in three words and moved on. Those words are: "Yes, of course!" ("Of course he does!" which would have been four words, not three, would also have been an acceptable response.) The question and answer, while not decisive one way or the other, is nevertheless illuminating. Obama's response tells us something about himself, and his beliefs, and whom he chooses to trust.
Of course George W. Bush has had embarrassing friends. He's even had an embarrassing relative -- a certain brother named Neil, who made a bad bet in the '80s with a savings-and-loan and got bailed out.
Americans deserve to know what kind of man (or woman) they are voting for. Obama, a largely unknown quantity 12 months ago, is getting the scrutiny he -- and the voter -- deserves.
anonymous
Submitted on April 20th, 2008 by John 2000You are wrong because you remain anonymous. Who Obama is remains 'anonymous' in important ways to many people.
Gotcha questions
Submitted on April 20th, 2008 by AnonymousThe magic of 21st century technology is that I can read this and respond between sets at the spoon concert. Yes, I'm lame.
I might agree with you more, Ben, were it not for this question: 'do you believe Jeremiah Wright loves this country as much as you do?' What, exactly, does that tell us about anything? It's a silly, 'what kind of tree would you be?' Question that elicits nothing BUT tour evening news soundbites. And to what end? What does that tell us about how Barack Obama will deal with that 3 am phone call? Or how he'll handle health care? Or balance the budget?
I'm sure the George W. Bush never had an embarrassing friend - except for the ones, of course, who ran s and ls or energy companies into the ground - or ever had an incorrect thought, but you know what? He is a really, really bad president. I'm less and less interested in what kind of person our president is, and more and more interested in their plans for the country and how they intend to implement those plans. And to the extent that spending precious air time asking a person whose decisions will mean the difference between life and death to many Americans to speculate on another person's patrotism distracts from figuring those questions out, yes, it's a distrqaction.
Spoon is taking the stage. Gotta go. Tell me why I'm. Wrong; I will be back in a couple of hours.