Is Chinese Traditional Medicine Bunk? You Bet!
Posted 14 weeks 3 days ago byPitzer College is a nutty leftwing private school in Claremont, CA. Its one of the few places where a former terrorist can be invited to teach young people and you can even take classes on YouTube.
And so it is with no surprise that we discover that its president, Laura Skanderra Trombley thinks Chinese traditional medicine is a good thing.
Pitzer President Laura Skandera Trombley went on the trip to Asia with the rest of the 5 College Presidents.Here is what she said about Chinese traditional medicine to China Daily.com because you know, Mark Twain scholar that she is, she knows lots about it.
“We believe TCM [Traditional Chinese Medicine] has great value and lots of people are trying it back in the US. That’s why we decided to launch the TCM course in our program in China. Our students can see how it works through comparing it with Western medicine,” said Laura Skandera Trombley, president of Claremont's Pitzer College during a recent trip to Beijing.
We will get to how bogus traditional Chinese medicine is in a moment, but until then let's look at Pitzer College's ties with China. Pitzer College has been sending students to China since 2001 and has established formal ties with Peking University.
“Among the many other American institutions with China programs on our campus, Pitzer is the only one which teaches an elective course in TCM for liberal arts and pre-medicine students. This course often attracts applicants from other programs such as the Yale/PKU joint program and Stanford at PKU,” explained Lin Jianhua, vice-president of Peking University.
Why does Pitzer offer traditional Chinese medicine to pre-medicine students when there isn't any scientific proof that it works?
Can President Trombley point to a signal case of traditional Chinese medicine actually working?It seems unlikely. Just check out this video from Michael Shermer (up top!), an adjunct professor of Claremont Graduate University, and a debunker of pseudoscience. He says Chinese traditional medicine is bunk and he's absolutely right.














Thoughts
the power of the human mind is always under-estimated
Submitted on April 16th, 2008 by Anonymousthe human mind is a complex and wonderful thing. and a real pain to deal with. are you familiar with the placebo-price effect? this implies that what the patient believes is as or more important than the actual treatment.
The problem with your
Submitted on April 16th, 2008 by AnonymousThe problem with your argument is that Sherman only receives one treatment and, if I am remembering correctly, does not have any symptoms that TCM may or may not be able to cure. That would be like a pain-free person taking aspirin and then complaining that it doesn't work because they don't feel any different.
To argue "that it can somehow relieve pain is silly at best" is a gross misstatement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture...
The efficacy of the treatment has not been proven or disproven. I think the most telling quotation from the article is from an NIH panel:
"the data in support of acupuncture are as strong as those for many accepted Western medical therapies"
This does not unequivocally approved the technique, but it clearly shows that the treatment is not "silly at best." In the name of integrity in discourse, please refrain from such blanket statements. I'm sure such poor conduct stands in opposition to the liberal arts education that you've enrolled yourself in at CMC.
You cannot prove a false positive
Submitted on April 15th, 2008 by Chuck_JohnsonShermer doesn't outright call it bunk, but it's pretty clear he sides with the group that calls it pseudo-science. The notion that it can somehow relieve pain is silly at best.
Chuck Johnson is a student at Claremont McKenna College. Feel free to contact him.
Kansas Girl Goes Squishy on Standards...
Submitted on April 15th, 2008 by Chuck_Johnson1) Just because there are college electives in bowling doesn't mean that there ought to be electives in Chinese traditional medicine. That's faulty reasoning. Take elementary logic 101.
2) And what's your point? Does somehow the scientific method not work in China? (By the way, the class is taught in the U.S. and China, but I didn't include that in the post.) I think it's pretty outrageous to think that just because China has a tradition of silly science that we ought to give it as an elective to pre-Meds.
3) Your third point is silly. I don't need to learn about creationism to know about evolution. I don't need to learn about flat landers to know the Earth is round. That's another faulty analysis. You can know something has never been scientifically confirmed despite study after study and advise your patients against it. And just because something is popular doesn't make it a good idea.
4) Generally when someone says something does one thing and then doesn't do it, we call that fraud. We can enforce against fraud through the legal system. TCM is fraud.
Chuck Johnson is a student at Claremont McKenna College. Feel free to contact him.
Did you watch the video?
Submitted on April 15th, 2008 by AnonymousThe clip never argues that TCM is a bunk. He merely concludes that while the evidence suggests some efficacy in reducing pain that there is no corresponding data to back other claims associated with the treatment.
I'm not a supporter of TCM, but to misrepresent your "proof" shows a lack of integrity.
Such a simple question
Submitted on April 14th, 2008 by KansasGirlFirst of all, colleges teach electives in bowling, so the only measure of whether a class can be taught as an elective is, "will students take and get something out of this?" Whether that something is deep enlightenment or a fun semester is really anyone's guess.
Second, this is a class taught in China, where this type of medicine has a long and respectable history (hence the name). It's as much a cultural class as anything else, I would guess, and absolutely relevant in that setting. Whether it works or not is kind of beside the point if people believe it does, and the Chinese obviously do.
Which brings me to point three: because of the growing popularity of alternative medicine in the US, any practicing doctor is going to encounter patient questions regarding it. If he/she knows nothing about it, how can that doctor adequately advise his patients? ESPECIALLY if it really is bunk, that's exactly the kind of thing doctors need to know.
And finally, you don't like it, you don't have to take it. Doesn't mean others wouldn't find it fun.
There's a sucker born every minute.
Submitted on April 14th, 2008 by The Big KlosowskiAs my grandfather used to say, and he was right.