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Without a time machine there is no way to legitimize the result of the "democratic party" primary/caucus season. It is foul, polluted, and ridiculous. They have virtually slaughtered their better candidate and substituted an unelectable strange-ling for November debacle. Personally, I am glad for this, as it is exactly what I have come to expect of that wacko party for quite a long time now. I consider myself to be a fair minded moderate independent. I hope Hillary wins against all of the stacked odds even though I KNOW she would run stronger in November an could possibly beat McCain.

Seems that my last reponse was censored!

So much for free speech here!

I keep wating for him to state what his big changes are?? You can't keep saying change, and not give anything that is a change. And so stay in a church that has an out right bigot for a pastor for 20 years? That alone puts his judgement into question for me. You sit in the church and listen to this man and not leave? And what is the problem with the media treating him with kid cloves? Any other person would have been torn apart by now with that one thing alone. I remember a canditate for the last elections that was torn up and forced to quit the race for just getting to excited and shouting "YaHOO" But Obama is treated with kid cloves and a hands off policy?????? I for one cannot vote for a peron that doesn't leave a church with a pastor that is a racist!!!!

Hilliary did not lie! All she did was try to make the playing field between herself and a true American hero a little more even. That makes her perhaps envious and a little devious, oh what the hell a little lie isn't that bad. But it does show a tendency to exaggerate the truth if you don't care or think you can't get busted or nobody would believe a Clinton would lie. Or would they?

Is it an optical illusion or is Hilliary’s nose getting longer after each time she is interviewed about her personal and political experiences.

John A

The truth is that all it takes is a citizen willing to fight a constitutional battle from one of those two states.

Just because people think its legal does not make it so. This is one of those issues that can go before the Supreme Court and to be honest the democratic party could be found in the wrong along with the election officals who allowed it to happen.

The issue is use of Governmental funds to conduct the election in Florida and Michigan which the primaries attached themselves to.

When that happened, then the so called private rules of the party go out the window for those things that are in violation of federal laws concerning fair election practices. See Title 11 for the specifics.

The issue is proper representation of the voter. Thus to deny the voter his right to vote and have his vote count toward an election held by the government is at issue and is addressed specifically under title 11.

Thus all it really takes is a person in Florida and Michigan to file suit.

Will the suit effect this election? not really but it would change the law in the future.

The reason I think it would not effect this election is because of the time it would take to go before the supreme court and time left before the November elections. I just do not see that there is enough time to make it happen.

However, a clever lawer could speed it through the incial process. But that does not mean that the Supreme Court would hear it this year or table it till after the election.

But it is an issue that should be addressed if a citizen of Florida or Michigan wished to address it and file in Federal Court.

The reason you do not see the Democratic party pushing for this is because simply the whole primary season could be made null and void as a by product of this action by the Democratic leadership.

Do not assume that because no one has done this that it some how means there is no illegal action. But then again, the Supreme Court could rule it legal. But I kind of doubt that because of the specific language in title 11 which deals with proper voter representation and votes being applied and counted in an election.

What you have is an official government election where voters who voted do not get their votes counted as part of the process of the overall election. Thus the voters in Florida and Michigan have been denied their constitutional rights to have proper representation which is expressed in their votes for their choice for President.

But it is a suit that does have legs should a person wish to do it.

But since I am not a resident of either Florida nor Michigan nor have any close friends or relatives there its kind of out of my hands to effect this race. But I would have filed last year and definately this year if I was a resident and would not stand for the Nazi like actions of the Democratic party leadership in their idea of punishment of the two states. Simply the Democratic party had not the right because they did not pay for the election but the voters of the state of Florida and Michigan did.

This is the core reason why its illegal for what the Democratic leadership did wrong. It would not have been illegal should the democratic party paid for their own primary out of its own funds. But because the democratic party used governmental funds to hold its election is where the rub is. Thus the elections are under title 11 and not party high handed rules. Thus any rule the Democratic party made which conflicts with title 11 is illegal!

That is the core and reason. Nothing more than that.

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If you're correct then I am astounded that none of the millions who voted in Florida or Michigan have filed suit. If I were them, I'd point to the Democrats' uneven application of the rules. For instance, New Hampshire's schedule violated rules. I agree that the Democrats' system for primaries and caucuses is terribly flawed. I watch a lot of political TV and read a lot in the papers, and while you may be correct, I have yet to hear any "expert" raise the legality issue. My sense is that you are right there are things that a party could do that are illegal; I just see no evidence that this has occurred as per current law.

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I'd like to understand how the caucus process was stacked in Obama's favor and how his people took unfair advantage of the system. My sense is that the Clinton campaign just didn't plan well for states with caucuses other than Iowa. If it's just a matter that Obama's campaign did a better job, then there's little to complain about. I've heard talk but no specifics that they indeed acted in unfair ways. What were they?

I participated in the Texas Democratic Caucus and was so disgusted at the Obama people. They were such zealots. The caucus process is already so stacked in his favor and yet they were so greedy. I went in as luke warm Hillary supporter and walked out as a boiling hot Clinton supporter. What ever happened to a sense of fairness and respect for the vote of the people. His campaign can throw such below the belt hit and yet everyone treats with him with kid gloves. I'm sorry, but my family has suffered much under the American government and my son proudly serves in the marines. We have to save this party and vote for the most effective and experienced candidate - Hillary Clinton is that person. Wake up America. Do what's best for our party and our country. Look behind the curtain.

However, changing the rules is not for the reason you think!

Look Super delegates are a tool for those in power to do the whims of those of power to suborn the will of the people.

Superdelegates are not necessary and are in fact illegal and would be found illegal should anyone wish to challenge it.

Anytime a third party can nullify an election result from the majority vote then its illegal under our system of government. Its just no one has challenged this most illegal and dishonorable thing.

The Democrat party would not be in this situation if they had not done another illegal and most dispicable thing to deny true blue Americans their right to representation.

That is the thing that has come out of this election year. That the Democratic party today has more in common with Stalin than with our Founding Fathers. NO One Should stand for any kind of rule or motion which denies an American his right to proper representation by a lawful election.

The Democratic party has done this to those who live in Florida and Michigan. Those people in those two states violated no law. Done their duty to hold legal and righteous elections but the Democratic Party nullified and denied those two states the right to voice their choice for representation. This goes beyond the presidential election. This goes to the very foundation of our Democracy. A Democracy which the Democratic Party dispises because people decided they wanted to vote at a time and place more convient to the people not the party. Thus the people are in the Right and the Party is the criminal Super Criminal here. The Democratic party has taken the very thing this country is founded on. The right to choose representation of the people.

SHAME on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY for acting like Stalin. AND yes people to die unexpectiedly within the Democratic party just like those under Stalin.

For redblueamerica to work, comments to posts need to stay on topic. The previous two "thoughts" do not. Not every post about the election is a cue to go on about anything you are thinking right then. If you wish to do that, use your own blog on the site. I don't mean to sound controlling, I just think it's a way to keep the site meaningful.

I am an independent, but I think that Hilary Clinton, is a disgrace to her party. Amid, the scandals in her Husbands Presidency, and now they are trying every dirty trick in the book to win. I could NEVER VOTE for her. The world is watching as we struggle to vote for a African American Man, that is also sad, the people in this country could not find a solid reason to hate him, so they dig up his minister, to ease their conscious, ok, now we have a good reason to hate him, his minister is a nut case. How many of you have friends that are just weird, but you love them anyway? Listen, visit a black church on MLK day, and you will get a real education, older African Americans, are bitter, it is true. But we accept them, and let it go.

I agree that the rules need revamping..seriously..but there was one thing that you didnt mention.. the reason for the superdelegates really is for a situation such as we may have in August..or June .. two very close candidates but one that is not as electible...that has to be the ultimate decision maker.