The Podcast: Ben and Joel talk about the Iraq war after five years

Five years ago this week, the United States introduced "shock-and-awe" to Iraq, drove Saddam Hussein from power, and began a years-long occupation and counter-insurgency operation that Pentagon planners did not fully anticipate. Five years on, some 4,000 U.S. troops are dead, tens of thousands more have been injured, millions of Iraqis have been displaced, and the fighting continues.

Was the war worth it? What's next? Ben and Joel discuss these issues in today's podcast.