YouTube: FBI agent says waterboarding works -- for Al Qaeda

It's been a few days since we talk about torture, so I thought I'd post this Foreign Policy video interview with Jack Clayton, a former FBI agent who interviewed Al Qaeda suspects in the 1990s. He's not a big fan of waterboarding, and he's skeptical of ticking time-bomb scenarios.

UPDATE: Silly me, I hadn't even seen the news about the Justice Department's waterboarding inquiry when I threw this blog entry together.

The Justice Department revealed Friday that its internal ethics office was investigating the department’s legal approval for waterboarding of Qaeda suspects by the Central Intelligence Agency and was likely to make public an unclassified version of its report.

Mr. Jarrett’s report could become the first public accounting for legal advice that endorsed methods widely denounced as torture by human rights groups and legal authorities. His office can refer matters for criminal prosecution; legal experts said the most likely outcome was a public critique of the legal opinions on interrogation, noting that Mr. Jarrett had the power to reprimand or to seek the disbarment of current or former Justice Department lawyers.

You know what? I'm not interested in putting Justice Department lawyers in prison (or even disbarring them) for approving waterboarding. The initial approval came in the immediate shadow of 9/11 -- a scary time (remember the anthrax attacks?) when we were waiting for the next big attack. And Justice Department lawyers -- Democrats and Republicans alike -- are not legal automatons, spitting out "correct" answers based on precise data; they're human beings who were worried that their advice not be an obstacle to preventing the next attack. As President Bush would say: I understand that.

But I think it's apparent that initial legal advice was flawed. I think the Justice Department recognizes that. And I think it's time to say so publicly -- and, for the sake of winning a few hearts and minds, loudly -- and move on.