Waterboarding is still torture: Why Cheney's "one percent doctrine" is wrong
Posted 40 weeks 5 days ago bySuper Tuesday -- and let's let that be the last time I use that phrase until 2012 -- obscured, to some extent, the White House admission that, as we all knew, American forces had used waterboarding on suspected terrorists. And that the White House reserves the right to use it again, if it deems necessary.
In the most detailed public comments on a CIA program that had been shrouded in secrecy for years, Hayden said the agency had used simulated drowning to extract crucial information from terrorism suspects in 2002 and 2003. He also testified that only three detainees were ever subjected to the method.
Just to sum up: Waterboarding is torture. That said, I guess I'm weirdly relieved -- assuming we're being told the truth -- that the U.S. isn't waterboarding every detainee to come down the pike. And in saying they were concerned about imminent follow-up attacks to 9/11, administration officials are betting that most Americans who dislike the idea of torture aren't going to make a fuss if it's done under a ticking time bomb scenario. Although, as Spencer Ackerman notes, the actual waterboarding took place about nine months after 9/11. With the fresh shock of the attacks starting to recede at that time, it seems the result is that the door is always open to the justification of torture under the "ticking time bomb" scenario. Because we never really know, do we?
And that's where Dick Cheney's "one percent doctrine" starts us out on the proverbial slippery slope. Applied here, it means that if it's in the universe of possibilities -- no matter how remote that there is a ticking time bomb, we should react as though there definitely is a ticking time bomb. But lawyers have a good saying, too: "Bad cases make bad law." You shouldn't start governing your society based on the outliers, because you'll muck up the normal functioning of society. That's at odds with the Cheney doctrine, and I'd say it produces better results.
That said, let's also remember that waterboarding isn't the only form of torture that's out there -- or that has been used against suspected (but, oops, innocent) terrorists. The administration might've pulled off a coup -- by admitting to rare waterboarding, it may have been able to pull the whole torture debate out of the spotlight.














Thoughts
Re: Waterboarding
Submitted on February 8th, 2008 by JoelHi Joe:
I'm going to disagree with you on two points here.
* "I can tell you they would not be so mild with us."
I guess I'd rather not lower ourselves, morally, to the level of terrorists. We're responsible for our own actions.
* "Any thing and I mean any thing that will save American lives military or cilivian should be used."
I don't think waterboarding (or other torture) does that. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is the example. Under waterboarding pressure, he told us about his involvement in 9/11. He also told us about his involvement in a lot of other terrorist actions -- that, investigators believe, he actually had nothing to do with.
Waterboarding will give us information, yes. But getting accurate information is another question. And if we don't -- if we're just trading a piece of our souls in exchange for lies -- exactly how are we helping ourselves?
WATERBOARDING
Submitted on February 8th, 2008 by JoeThere is a couple thoughts I have. Waterboarding should be used, I can tell you they would not be so mild with us there is a saying "All is fair in LOVE OR WAR. Any thing and I mean any thing that will save American lives military or cilivian should be used.
The next before she passed, my Mother would set and shake her head and wonder at what fools the people are to day that they got to know every secret, then use it as a weapon to hurt the very people that is trying to protect us. I still have some of the censored letters my Father wrote during WW2. To her and my grandparents. Secrets are to protect us.
yay
Submitted on February 7th, 2008 by alicescheshirecatyou know I'm actually excited about this. I canceled my reservations at the Gitmo Bay Hilton when I found out about the whole waterboarding thing. I'm excited I can go back there for the Spring thaw! I hear the chief is so 5 star and lord knows I need a good manicure...