Ron Paul, Ralph Nader and the unpredictability of third-party races
Posted 38 weeks 4 days ago byWhile I'm glad that we found out about Ron Paul's racist newsletters and were treated to all the ensuing hubub, I've got a question: Can anybody remember when another minor candidate -- one who stood absolutely no chance of winning the presidency -- attracted the kind of scrutiny that Paul has?
Of course, Paul is a little different. He's a minor candidate who has raised an astonishing amount of money.
And, of course, he performed better in New Hampshire than Fred Thompson, who was once seen as the party's Great Right Hope.
But still: Nobody thinks Paul is going to win? So why the scrutiny?
My only guess is this: Paul has -- or, at least, had -- the chance to be this year's Ralph Nader. Unlike Mike Bloomberg, whose nascent campaign appears to be conjured up out of thin air, Ron Paul has supporters. There's anti-government libertarians over on the right, and (judging by the weekend demonstrations in downtown Lawrence) anti-war activists over on the left, along with all the fringe elements that have projected their own hopes and desires on him.
In other words: Paul, if he decided to run his own third-party campaign, could genuinely upset the balance of power. But he'd do it in such an unpredictable way that nobody really wants to encourage him.
Paul isn't getting the coverage because of his ideas. He's getting it because he's a wild card.














Thoughts
Nader Paul
Submitted on September 20th, 2008 by AnonymousRon and Ralph Fool's Overture. History recalls how great the fall can be, while everybody's sleeping the boats put out to sea. Borne on the wings of time, it seemed the answers were so easy to find. "Too late" the prophets cry, the island's sinking let's take to the sky. Called the man a fool, stripped him of his pride, everyone was laughing up until the day he died. And though the wound went deep, still he's calling us out of our sleep.
Apocalypse Now
Romney Keeps Donation From Fascist Ethnic Cleansing Advocate
Submitted on January 18th, 2008 by LastHope4FreedomA recent Associated Press headline reads - "Paul Keeps White Supremacist Donation" - This is a blatant slur designed to scare off undecided voters from researching further into what the Congressman actually stands for.
I'm sure the media could dig up all kinds of monsters who have given hefty sums to Romney and Giuliani and then tar them with the same bullsh*t but you'll never see it happen, because as Salon writer Glenn Greenwald points out, the establishment have launched a vicious assault on Ron Paul.
How about the Neo-Cons who advocate ethnically cleansing the middle east and making Bush dictator of the world? Who have they donated to? "Romney Keeps Donation From Fascist Ethnic Cleansing Advocate" will AP carry that story?
How about Stu Bykovsky, the Philadelphia Inquirer writer who called for a new 9/11 to reinvigorate support for Republicans - who did he donate to and why isn't the media interested in finding out? "Giuliani Keeps Donation From Writer Who Yearned For New 9/11" is a headline we'll never see.
How about talking to those putrid Neo-Cons who went on the National Review's annual cruise this past summer - you know, the people who like to share their belief that anyone who protests against Bush be executed in gas chambers - who did they donate to? McCain? Huckabee?
The media won't find out and they won't be issuing any ad hominem smear headlines against any of the establishment candidates because they know on which side their bread is buttered.
Ron Paul is doing great in Nevada
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by jtjj1234I think Ron Paul is going to surprise a lot of people. www.wakeuplate.com this election blog provides pretty good analysis
Racist? Probably
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by OtherJoelI might be inclined to believe that Paul's denial of any knowledge about the racist writings in his newsletters, if it wasn't for the sheer volume of them. I cannot believe that he had no clue this was going on. And assuming he really was clueless about it all -- if he was not smart enough to keep closer track of publications named after him about which he admits to being aware, well that doesn't exactly inspire confidence in his abilities.
Your third-party arguments sound good on the surface, but as a recovering Naderite (believe me -- I've heard all the arguments about the evils of the two-party system), they just don't work in reality. As dots noted, we don't have the luxury of starting over, so we work with what we have. And yes, that means sometimes having to hold your nose when you vote. And I'm OK with that if it means avoiding another Bush.
Tipping point for Paul?
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by BenChris, I sympathize with your point about media timidity. But if Ron Paul couldn't break through in the "Live Free or Die" state, how do you imagine he will catch on going forward?
Yes And No
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by thinkfutureHe is getting alternately smeared/ignored because of both the ideas of his campaign and his capacity as a wild card. However, the system is so locked into the two party mode that there is little expectation that even a 3rd party candidate can do anything. And the reason no one thinks Ron Paul will win is because he as yet to reach his tipping point. I believe that there are a ton of closet Ron Paul supporters all over the internet and mainstream media, such as Michelle Malkin - see her latest post about needing a man. They are all afraid to step out and support him vocally yet simply because they are afraid of being labeled nuts as well. Once his support gets over a certain level, then you might see a number of influential people start to endorse him. Too bad most people back media selected "winners" instead of voting their conscience.
Chris Future
http://thinkfuture.com
Non-interventionism is not isolationism, but...
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by BenI agree that we need to be careful with ascribing views to Paul that he does not hold. Ron Paul is a non-interventionist, not an isolationist.
Trouble is, non-interventionism is impossible in a globalized economy. And the fact is, the United States has been an interventionist country since the Marines stormed the shores of Tripoli.
Would America have been better off if George Washington's successors had heeded his sage advice? Perhaps. But I'm afraid that warship has sailed.
Quote of the day
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by dots"We should get out of the lives of all these nations.
That is not isolationism."
I may post this in my office. Permission?
Uriah, there is certainly some merit to many of RP's arguments. The basic reason his policies won't work is that he will never get elected.
Having said that, and while I - in the dark of night while nobody is looking - share many of RP's views, the fact (read FACT) is that we can not start the entire country over from scratch. You have to go to these elections with the government you have, not the government you want.
Isolationism?
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by UriahHe isn't for isolationism, but that is one of the "buzz" words used to try and skew public opinion of him.
Why is strong national defense isolationism?
We are going bankrupt and can't afford to continue funding other nations, including Saudi Arabia. Why we subsidize one of the riches nations on earth is beyond me.
He believes in trade and good will with all nations, but does not want to get entangled politically with any of them.
Examples: We used to support and fund Saddam and Iraq. Then they were the enemy.
The mujahadeen fighters that later morphed into the taliban. We supported them, and then they were the enemy.
Musharaff of Pakistan was used to overthrow an elected government.
He is a dictator. Now we fund, supply, and train his armies.
We should get out of the lives of all these nations.
That is not isolationism.
Our involvement with Israel and our occupation of other nations has caused too much blowback to our own national security. (remember 911?)
Smaller government, lesser intrusions into our private lives, lesser intrusion into politics of other nations and their people; then maybe we would have a more stable life and economy.
The private banking institution called the Federal Reserve prints money out of thin air to support these foreign ventures. Or we borrow it from the Chinese government, OR they tax us to support these unneeded and unconstitutional intrusions into other sovereign nations.
Which way do you suppose is the best way to finance these burdensome problems?
We shouldn't have to finance them. They are unneeded.
Please, if you don't mind, tell me why Dr. Paul's policies won't work. I would like to understand where he is wrong.
Thanks,
Uriah
Ron Paul, racist?
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by JoelI'd say the jury's out. But his newsletters? Racist.
That said, I don't object to "liberty and freedom, both social and economic" for anybody, including Americans. But I don't think Paul's brand of libertarianism and isolationism would actually work.
You have it all wrong
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by UriahPaul isn't being covered at all.
His ideas are sound as well as logical.
Maybe it is time for a "wild card".
He isn't a racist either. I coulnd't see anything in the Nation's article that was racist. Was it because a southern white male wrote something that may have offended someone? (OH MY) If the facts were true then they are true. There is a big problem in America that everything has to be politically correct, well guess what? Things aren't always so easy to talk about, but nowadays it seems that issues of race are off limits to anyone that is white, unless they mimic the views of the black community. This breaks down intelligent discourse, especially if no one wants to take the politicaly incorrect side of the subject matter.
Ron Paul believes in the right to liberty and freedom, both social and economic, this goes for white, black, hispanic, or anyone else who is an American.
He is the voice of reason on economic policy, race relations, foreign policy, and true Amercian Ideals.
Are you gunning for your membership into the Council of Foreign Relations, or have you already been accepted?
If you haven't been invited yet, keep up the good work, maybe soon you will be a member of that privileged group.
Uriah
Horse race, yes
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by JoelDots: I'm with you. I don't want to spend too much energy on horse race matters in this election campaign. But sometimes they're important.
Ron Paul hasn't ruled out running as a third-party candidate, after all, and he's certainly raised a nice little wad of cash. Combine that with the fact that he has a constituency -- or, at least, there's constituencies that claim him -- his candidacy becomes a factor. If not a "kingmaker" then perhaps he's a king (or queen) killer. The last 20 years have shown that stuff makes a difference in who ends up as president, and what kind of policies we'll live under.
Horse race
Submitted on January 17th, 2008 by dotsI can see that "horse race" will be the key phrase for the 2008 elections. Paul is the most interesting horse. He won't, of course, "win", but we can't stop watching.
Like Britney.